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Culdesac Tempe: The first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the US

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Re: Culdesac Tempe: The first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the US

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The headline/title seems like something of a stretch for two reasons.

The first is pedantic. The US was formed in the 1700s, roughly a century before the first car was invented. Most, if not all, neighborhoods prior to that were built from scratch.

The second is less-pedantic. It is hard to imagine that the various communes and utopias designed/built throughout the twentieth century in the US all required a car in order to live in them and be a part of the community.

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I live in a master planned community (Daybreak, Utah), and while you can definitely scoff at the building quality (state of things everywhere right now, it's all done fast and with low quality materials), it's been fantastic, especially during the pandemic. The whole neighborhood is designed to be walkable, with parks, pools, trails, train stations, grocery stores and restaurants (added in the later phases, which are…

I know Daybreak is more advanced as a project and significantly larger, but Culdesac looks a lot more appealing to me if I were the target market. Lots of medium sized, social/public space spaces. Much more reminiscent of the old towns of European cities - Dubrovnik, etc - which are wonderful to wander around, find a small bar/restaurant/etc. I streetviewed one part of Daybreak and it looked very broad and less walkable.

That said, Culdesac might make for a pretty small neighbourhood? Is it replacing a trailer park, going by the angled concrete bits on satellite photos?

We have something similar here in South Australia, replacing a large industrial property: https://lifemoreinteresting.com.au/ It's not car free, but the parking affordances are very much minimised and designed to be trivial to walk/bike everywhere. It's centred around open spaces that are great to visit as an outsider and would be fantastic to live around: https://www.plant4bowden.com.au/ There are a range of architects and building styles so it suits more people - singles, couples and families. Get a townhouse without a car park. Get an apartment with three bedrooms and two basement car parks.

One thing it didn't seem to do when I visited was provide more in terms of ground-level commercial/retail tenancies. That would be the ideal scenario for a community, I think - small stores and businesses at ground level and living spaces around or above.

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Well… most towns/subdivisions with zealous planning suck. The best cities in the world appear to be very organically grown. Maybe this is an illusion?

I think it may indeed be an illusion. Paris, for example, was extremely planned. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haussmann%27s_renovation_of_Pa...

This is fascinating! Thanks for sharing. It’s hard to tell what the specificity of the planning was… it seems to have included the street layouts and the below-ground infrastructure, but unclear on the facades and the shop/business distribution?

I didn’t know about this but it makes a lot of sense. Those enormous boulevards are clearly not original nor unplanned.

Re: Culdesac Tempe: The first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the US

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Founder here. Great to see the excitement people have for Culdesac and for Culdesac Tempe. Our vision is to build the first car-free city in the US, starting with the first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the US. Join our waitlist at culdesac.com. We open next year! If you want to visit in the meantime, drop me a note. Hiring-wise, we're hiring in Tempe or remote. Our top hiring prio is to lead product de…

And we’ll send you a car free sticker for free here

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScVzmWiEIoNsJiV7aPn...

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I decided to take a look at Daybreak on google maps, but I'm having a hard time understanding how the layout is different than other developments. I do notice that the lane system looks nice as opposed to just having alleys. Is there other stuff you like?

I’m not the OP, but I’ve seen Daybreak I think emphasis there is smaller single-family home lots, and lots of multi family buildings, all built within walking distances to amenities like restaurants, entertainment, grocery stores, clinics, the light railway station, etc. It kind of feels like a hybrid between large urban downtowns you might find in the US and elsewhere, and traditional American suburbs. Not remotely…

I couldn't see any real density from the satellite and streetview pictures. Looks like every typical housing development in Australia but with the laneway access for cars and more uniformity in terms of building design and fencing rules. No contemporary housing design that I could find. Walking anywhere (outside of strolling the neighbourhood) would be a longer undertaking, I'm guessing? Hard to see businesses or restaurants amongst the housing?

As a suburb, should look good once the street trees grow up though.

This is a masterplan of a typical Australian development: https://brookmont.com.au/masterplan - in this case, has gardens and community spaces, but not walking distance to anything useful. There's a big hardware store nearby, but no one would walk to it.

Re: Culdesac Tempe: The first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the US

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Is this pure vaporware? It seems scammy to me.

Initially when I first saw the page, I figure it was some virtual community. All the computer-generated graphics looked like some version of Second Life. (If that is stilla thing).

It says "Coming to Tempe, Arizona in 2022" "Located at 2025 E Apache Blvd, Tempe, AZ 85281"

In Google maps it looks like it has a long way to go before it is finished.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/2025+E+Apache+Blvd,+Tempe,...

The Google images can be years out of date, so it might not be a fair assessment.

Still to develop something like that has to require enormous amounts of money and resources.

The area such as pictured in Google Maps does not look like a foundation it is easy to build this neighborhood on.

The link to their "capital partner" does not load for me but that may be a local glitch.

The link to "resize your home on demand" goes to a blog with no relevant information.

They want people to send them $100 to reserve a spot.

What is the timeline? What has been achieved? How much of it is funded? What permits have been obtained? Rezoning?

To me this looks like a quickly and poorly cobbled together website with at best somebodies' vision for what could one day in the far future be built, but at present consist of this website and nothing else.

Re: Culdesac Tempe: The first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the US

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I had a 3D printer for a while but I just got so little use out of it. Designing anything was like an all day process and any time I found something I needed I would think "Do I want to spend the entire day to get this thing" and the answer was almost always no.

Fusion 360 is ridiculously good compared to anything i used previous to it. You have to spend a little time getting the basics down but once you do it is pretty damn fast. Plus you can import o part models from mcmaster carr, thingiverse, etc and tweak them. It really is better than it used to be imho

I think I was pretty proficient with my tools but most of the work was measuring out everything and then the first few prints either fail or were not designed correctly so it just becomes a big process that wasn't worth it if printing and CAD are not your passion.

Re: Culdesac Tempe: The first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the US

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Is this pure vaporware? It seems scammy to me. Initially when I first saw the page, I figure it was some virtual community. All the computer-generated graphics looked like some version of Second Life. (If that is stilla thing). It says "Coming to Tempe, Arizona in 2022" "Located at 2025 E Apache Blvd, Tempe, AZ 85281" In Google maps it looks like it has a long way to go before it is finished. https://www.google.com/m…

There's a tremendous amount of building happening in Phoenix, because people keep moving here driving home prices up. I would almost guarantee these rents will be much higher once they open.

Re: Culdesac Tempe: The first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the US

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Founder here. Great to see the excitement people have for Culdesac and for Culdesac Tempe. Our vision is to build the first car-free city in the US, starting with the first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the US. Join our waitlist at culdesac.com. We open next year! If you want to visit in the meantime, drop me a note. Hiring-wise, we're hiring in Tempe or remote. Our top hiring prio is to lead product de…

Welcome to HN. Couple of thoughts; first, it’s kinda weird for you to introduce yourself as a ‘founder’ - I’ve been around developers and real estate all my life, and I’ve never heard anyone use that term to describe what they do. Makes me wonder if you see this as more of a housing subscription service than a community? Which leads to my second thought - what’s the thought process behind this being a rental-only thi…

Bingo! Welcome to a new company town, where you're locked into a bubble world

Re: Culdesac Tempe: The first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the US

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...I mean, we’ll have to agree to disagree on that! I really like the grid, it’s one of the reasons I like living here. Makes it so easy to navigate.

I’m not disagreeing with the functionality, and personally don’t find the grid to be particularly bad , but do you really think West Village isn’t dramatically more liveable feeling? I suppose this quickly veers into hard-to-define sensations so perhaps the point is moot :) I do suspect that a lot of people would prefer to live in that part of town over the more modern areas… as evidenced by the especially insane ren…

It’s purely a matter of taste.

I’ve lived in Manhattan for close to thirty years got married here and raised a family here.

What you call a dramatically more livable feeling means different things to different people. Honestly it meant different things to me at 25, 35 and 45. It also meant different things when I was stretched financially and when I was flush.

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