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Culdesac Tempe: The first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the US

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Re: Culdesac Tempe: The first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the US

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I live in a master planned community (Daybreak, Utah), and while you can definitely scoff at the building quality (state of things everywhere right now, it's all done fast and with low quality materials), it's been fantastic, especially during the pandemic. The whole neighborhood is designed to be walkable, with parks, pools, trails, train stations, grocery stores and restaurants (added in the later phases, which are…

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Re: Culdesac Tempe: The first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the US

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> Studios start at $1,090/mo, and 1-bedrooms start at $1,250/mo

This puts studios and 1bdrs in the low end of the largest rent band in Tempe ($1-1.5k) per Yardi Matrix, and on par with the average rent in Tuscon. All AZ cities are seeing 14% or higher YoY increases in rent. I'm very curious how solid those prices are, and how quickly they escalate ("starts at" pricing is really frustrating, however common it might be).

Most apartments available on Apartments.com for less are in complexes between University and Broadway closer to campus. Apache Boulevard is between University and Broadway east of campus, and this Culdesac is much closer to US Hwy 101 than campus.

One nearby traditional "luxury" apartment complex has studios for $1,040/mth and 1bdrs for $1,350/mth.

Re: Culdesac Tempe: The first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the US

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I don't really see anything addressing the heat issue of the location (AZ). In most hot environments people tend to minimize outdoor time, moving quickly from one AC'd zone to another. How do you get places while staying out of the heat in a neighborhood like this? Tunnels?

I've been to AZ, it has a fairly vibrant outdoor community. The heat looks bad on the numbers but its a dry heat, so your sweat glands can operate at full efficiency, making it not feel so bad. It can be an issue for vulnerable people as well, and of course I can't speak to how that changes with Climate change.

Re: Culdesac Tempe: The first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the US

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It should be pointed out that this "neighborhood" is just a mixed use apartment complex of 760 rental units that does not currently exist yet though construction has sort of started. All pictures shown are renderings and this link is basically content marketing for it. They seem to cost ~$200-300 more per month than a market studio with parking in the same area.

I think "market studio" really depends on the target. Student-targeting studios are definitely $200/mth cheaper and Tempe has lots of those, but "luxury" studios within 0.5 mi. are already at the same price or higher.

Re: Culdesac Tempe: The first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the US

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post #3

A community "maker space" would require careful curation of community members to be viable. Even if everyone were honest and conscientious. It's so hard to find the right tool or material at the right time in my own shop, it would be many times worse if I shared the shop with the neighborhood. Sure it's a long, hard, expensive trudge to accumulate your own tools, but at least it gives you a good chance of having the…

Yeah that makerspace rendering is insane. A sewing machine, combo wrenches, some plant in a vase, actual monkey wrenches (for time travelers wtf), and a slugging wrench like iron workers use in heavy construction.

Re: Culdesac Tempe: The first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the US

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post #39

This looks worse than many of the suburban neighborhoods in and around Atlanta, GA. There are no trees. (Granted, I live in Atlanta and we're spoiled af with marvelous tree cover.) There's no clear demarkation of where to walk or bike. It's not safe to intermix the two without indications of direction. One elongated dog leash (ugh) or elder person and there will be problems. There's little privacy from neighbors. May…

At first glance this looks strictly worse than something like Atlantic Station in Atlanta from 15 or so years ago, where you have a similar sort of mixed use development but also have tons of underground parking for when you need to visit the area or (as a resident) leave the area.

Re: Culdesac Tempe: The first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the US

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It should be pointed out that this "neighborhood" is just a mixed use apartment complex of 760 rental units that does not currently exist yet though construction has sort of started. All pictures shown are renderings and this link is basically content marketing for it. They seem to cost ~$200-300 more per month than a market studio with parking in the same area.

I was amused by the “built neighborhood” being entirely renders.

Re: Culdesac Tempe: The first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the US

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post #18

I live in a master planned community (Daybreak, Utah), and while you can definitely scoff at the building quality (state of things everywhere right now, it's all done fast and with low quality materials), it's been fantastic, especially during the pandemic. The whole neighborhood is designed to be walkable, with parks, pools, trails, train stations, grocery stores and restaurants (added in the later phases, which are…

Ive seen several attempts at master planned neighborhoods with little town center type things with the idea that youd rarely have to leave, around South Florida growing up, and even lived in one for a few years. They all failed miserably. I feel like ones that succeed are just lucky. These communities can have basic predetermined guidelines to how growth can happen but the actual growth needs to happen organically. You cant just plot and build every house in town at the start, and you cant expect that things wont change as things pan out. Otherwise youre forcing residents to live in this deterministic Truman Show world lacking real freedom, echoing the major failures of a lot of mid 20th century heavy-handed big-ego design that we still suffer the effects of today

Re: Culdesac Tempe: The first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the US

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post #24
post #5

I live about 10 min drive from there, and I honestly don't see how it's going to work. Yes it is right on the lightrail line, but otherwise it's not a very walkable area. I guess they are hoping to lock everyone into just doing most of their eating and shopping onsite. Is that actually desirable?

Well, currently, I just drive my car 10 min and usually eat and shop in the same place. That being walkable does seem desirable, yes. And if the nearest city was accessible by light rail I would certainly spend more time there.

But how many options do you have within 10 minutes? Are there more options if you need them than just one store and restaurant? I think that's what confuses me as to why they didn't create this concept closer to an area that's also walkable to other services.
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