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Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by charrondev »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #99
BeefWellington wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> See: https://theevilskeleton.gitlab.io/2021/02/11/response-to-fla ... Everything in that reference basically says "yep the criticism is valid" and in a few cases the author expands on that with "but it's ok because..." and then lists various reasons why it's fine that it's still a problem but that's it's being worked on. They also had to correct a good chunk of just outright incorrect information they were supplyin…

> Why not have flatpak prompt for permissions as they're used, e.g.: "This app wants to open your home directory" rather than at install-time. That would make it abundantly clearer to the end users this is aimed at. I'm going out on a limb and guessing that it is because that's what is done in mobile, and it's usage in mobile has re-taught everyone the lesson that constant dialog prompts just train users to click thr…

On the other hand my family learned the opposite lesson (without assistance from me).

They essentially deny every such permission request and for the few they actually care about (getting notifications from 2 or 3 of the 50 apps that want notification access) they come and asked for assistance.

One of the nice things about the iOS ecosystem is that apps aren’t allowed to be nonfunctional if you deny them access to something.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by tayistay »

onkoe wrote: post #157
tayistay wrote: post #79

- Can't publish closed-source apps on their AppCenter. "To ensure reproducible builds, transparency, and auditability, binaries cannot be uploaded or included alongside the source code to be installed on users' devices." So that precludes my apps, and probably most other devs I know. I'd guess because of this restriction, their app store is going nowhere as a business. - Their 70/30 split is higher than what Apple cu…

It's insane to me that they're charging anything for their store; that split is actually insane

Yep. Combine that with must-be-open-source, and their platform is practically hostile to the average developer who needs to earn a living.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by wlesieutre »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #155

This is a big update for a relatively small community distro. Kudos to the team. A summary of some of the cooler features: Performance: General performance improvements on all hardware resulting from optimizing for Pinebook Pro and Raspberry Pi - namely, reducing and asynchronizing inter-process communication between desktop components, removing unused code, and reducing disk I/O. Firmware: Linux Vendor Firmware Serv…

>- Installer is simplified and streamlined - network connectivity, user account creation, and updates moved out of the installer and into the installed OS. Better for vendors & OEMs.

Maybe the awkward stretched out time zone map is gone too?

https://github.com/elementary/os/issues/164

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by harel »

fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #161
jonpurdy wrote: post #64

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Long time Mac user (1992); I think the Mac UI peaked at Mavericks (some would argue Snow Leopard due to the dumb Save workflow in Lion). As soon as Yosemite started trying too hard to be minimal it started a descent into prioritizing style over UX. I haven't touched Big Sur yet and probably won't until I'm forced to with a new Mac. Looking at screenshots of Elementary, it's so much more obvious how things work and wh…

Interestingly enough, iTerm is the biggest sticking point for me in switching back to Linux: none of the Linux terminal applications have the quality of life features I depend on in iTerm

Out of curiosity, what in iTerm is missing in any of the Linux terminals? (I usually use Tilix).

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by kitsunesoba »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #170
Schlaefer wrote: post #147

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Maybe QuickLook outlived itself. It was a technology tailored to the HDD era of hardware, when complex apps required dozens of seconds to start. In a world were even LibreOffice cold-starts in under three seconds on middle of the road hardware QuickLook is just a familiar workflow instead of a necessity? Initially I missed QuickLook a lot after switching away from macOS, but now I haven't thought about it in years.

I can't imagine not having access to QuickLook. It's not really about how quickly apps open so much as the UI—in a large folder of images or documents, I can use QuickLook to see what's inside each one, whereas without it I'd have to open a window for every document.

Yes, for me the killer aspect of Quicklook is being able to flip through dozens of documents in barely more time than it takes for my arrow keys to actuate. It’s wonderful for skimming through dozens of files quickly. Icons that accurately represent content on more than just images are great too.

Aside from that, QuickLook remains one of the few examples of a generic extensible document reader in modern operating systems. The way it gains the ability to read new types of files just by virtue of the owning app’s bundle being present on the system (no installation necessary, and it goes away when you delete the app) makes so much sense, and it’s a shame that there’s no equivalent on Windows and Linux.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by doubled112 »

OJFord wrote: post #152
luke2m wrote: post #142

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Why? Gnome web is actually simpler and easier to use than Firefox for elderly people. It performs surprisingly well, too.

Because I've heard of it before this evening, trust it'll get updates, it has a decent privacy/security record, I know where things are if I'm asked for help, ... But mostly it's the first, I couldn't possibly have picked GNOME Web before this conversation, I didn't know it existed!

It used to go by Epiphany, but that's probably an even worse name.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by okramcivokram »

Normille wrote: post #144
jonpurdy wrote: post #64

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Long time Mac user (1992); I think the Mac UI peaked at Mavericks (some would argue Snow Leopard due to the dumb Save workflow in Lion). As soon as Yosemite started trying too hard to be minimal it started a descent into prioritizing style over UX. I haven't touched Big Sur yet and probably won't until I'm forced to with a new Mac. Looking at screenshots of Elementary, it's so much more obvious how things work and wh…

Another long-time Mac user, who is also increasingly frustrated with how dumbed down & bloated OSX is becoming [I'm sticking on Mavericks for the foreseeable future and only 'upgraded' from El Capitán because more and more of my apps were breaking after applying updates]. With all OSX Finder's faults and all the annoyances of the OS, I still think it's miles ahead of any Linux distro I've tried to get on with. Two wo…

I think the quicklook is available in gnome. I'm not sure how it compares to the osx one because I don't use anything apple, but selecting a file and pressing space in nautilus behaves as I expect quicklook to work. A preview of the file is shown. It doesn't work for all file types but the common ones (images, documents, videos, text files etc.) are shown.

I'm on GNOME 3.38.4 on Debian sid.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by fiddlerwoaroof »

harel wrote: post #174
fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #161

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Interestingly enough, iTerm is the biggest sticking point for me in switching back to Linux: none of the Linux terminal applications have the quality of life features I depend on in iTerm

Out of curiosity, what in iTerm is missing in any of the Linux terminals? (I usually use Tilix).

A bunch of little things: iTerm’s jump/mark feature is really useful, especially combined with shell integration and triggers. iTerm can detect soft splits (e.g. tmux or vim splits) and confine the selection to one side of them. Also it’s split-pane navigation functionality is pretty smooth.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by Siira »

fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #161
jonpurdy wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Long time Mac user (1992); I think the Mac UI peaked at Mavericks (some would argue Snow Leopard due to the dumb Save workflow in Lion). As soon as Yosemite started trying too hard to be minimal it started a descent into prioritizing style over UX. I haven't touched Big Sur yet and probably won't until I'm forced to with a new Mac. Looking at screenshots of Elementary, it's so much more obvious how things work and wh…

Interestingly enough, iTerm is the biggest sticking point for me in switching back to Linux: none of the Linux terminal applications have the quality of life features I depend on in iTerm

I recently migrated to Kitty because of iTerm’s abysmal performance issues, and it’s quite better. The performance is top-notch, the terminal’s scripting APIs are (for my use cases) better than iTerm’s python API, and the config uses plain text.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by bitwize »

jonpurdy wrote: post #64
wlesieutre wrote: post #16

Looking great, I've been a long time Mac user and I think I actually like elementary's evolution of the UI styling (from when it started as a pretty direct clone) better than I like Apple's in Big Sur. Tried elementary before (Luna and Freya IIRC) and while it hasn't replaced my Mac for development or my Windows desktop for gaming, I'm definitely keeping an eye on it. Can't help but notice that the Sound indicator's…

Long time Mac user (1992); I think the Mac UI peaked at Mavericks (some would argue Snow Leopard due to the dumb Save workflow in Lion). As soon as Yosemite started trying too hard to be minimal it started a descent into prioritizing style over UX. I haven't touched Big Sur yet and probably won't until I'm forced to with a new Mac. Looking at screenshots of Elementary, it's so much more obvious how things work and wh…

The beauty and elegance of Mac OS died with Mac OS X, when they foolishly decided to keep the NeXT-isms instead of sticking with tried and true Mac principles like the spatial Finder.
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