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Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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I tried eOS 5. The screenshots made it look the most user friendly of Linux distros (read: Apple knock off), and at first it feels that way. But it quickly starts to show how shallow that knock off is… and it’s a huge undertaking so I don’t blame them. First is what happens once you run anything that isn’t made by them — all of the sudden totally different UIs. Linux has this problem in spades because there is no sta…

This is a series of complaints about the project as it stood in 2018, when eOS 5 was new. You don't suspect that maybe some of your criticism might have aged out? Maybe some of your recommendations are redundant by now?

The complaints seem like hard things to fix. Which of them have been improved?

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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post #43

I'm surprised they spend so much (presumably) time and effort on applications, especially 'Web' and 'Terminal'. How many users are actually going to use 'Web' as their browser? That said, I wish them all the best, because I use 'Files' (but not the distro) since it's the best I've found for the odd occasion where I think using a GUI file manager will be easier than the command line. I still wouldn't say it's good , j…

>I'm surprised they spend so much (presumably) time and effort on applications, especially 'Web' and 'Terminal'. How many users are actually going to use 'Web' as their browser?

Elementary is aimed in part at non-power-users, moreso than most other distros besides Ubuntu. Most of them don't care or even know what browser they're using.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

#133

I tried eOS 5. The screenshots made it look the most user friendly of Linux distros (read: Apple knock off), and at first it feels that way. But it quickly starts to show how shallow that knock off is… and it’s a huge undertaking so I don’t blame them. First is what happens once you run anything that isn’t made by them — all of the sudden totally different UIs. Linux has this problem in spades because there is no sta…

This isn’t really different from macOS. Ever tried to run a Mac GTK app, or one that uses XQuartz? It’s just that more people target macOS.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Well thats the perk, you get games compatibility. Windows runs in a window with direct access to the GPU. I primary Windows because of games and music software, and I'm looking forward to trying it out. As another comment points out, its called VFIO. From that subreddit: "VFIO stands for Virtual Function I/O. VFIO is a device driver that is used to assign devices to virtual machines. One of the most common uses of vf…

That seems to imply that it can use the same GPU as the host? I thought a dedicated one was required (not just a 'common use').

AFAIK, for the setup they're talking about, you do need a dedicated GPU. You blacklist it on the host, and pass it through to the windows VM.

I haven't worked in windows space in awhile though, and state changes rapidly, so there may be other options now that utilize a single GPU across host and vm without losing performance.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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post #43

I'm surprised they spend so much (presumably) time and effort on applications, especially 'Web' and 'Terminal'. How many users are actually going to use 'Web' as their browser? That said, I wish them all the best, because I use 'Files' (but not the distro) since it's the best I've found for the odd occasion where I think using a GUI file manager will be easier than the command line. I still wouldn't say it's good , j…

Using the elementary OS Terminal is what pushed me to really learn tmux. Not sure what else I'd really want in my terminal now.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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And this is exactly why some people prefer MacOS, which eOS is trying to emulate.

MacOS still has anachronistic design elements. My least favorite was the Dashboard, which long outstayed it's welcome...

The Dashboard has been disabled by default since 2014’s OS X Yosemite, they kept it around because there was no reason not to, some people liked it. (Including me.)

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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This is pretty much why all the desktop Linux experiences fail. The major linux apps were all developed for different desktop experiences and so there's no consistency, even on things as basic as copy/paste shortcuts. It's very hard to get that without a powerful dictator shepherding the overall ecosystem and it's the achilles heel of FOSS for GUIs.

It is a crying shame that Linus, or some other benevolent dictator for life like Linus, never emerged to steer the Linux userland. If there are parallel realities and alternate timelines, then somewhere out there is the one where everyone settled on GNUStep/WindowMaker in the 90s and Linux took over the Desktop by 2005.

Shuttleworth was close to that, but he retired from Canonical.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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MacOS still has anachronistic design elements. My least favorite was the Dashboard, which long outstayed it's welcome...

I prefer the Dashboard to its kind-of replacement, whatever they call the slidey-out widget sidebar thing you get when you click on the clock (which, unrelated to the comparison between those two since the Dashboard's invocation wasn't exactly sensible, either—what the hell ?)

They're just called "Widgets in Notification Center" now. Agreed that Dashboard was more useful, if I could put the new widgets in an overlay instead of the sidebar I would.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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post #60
post #33

Wow looks great. This fell off my radar for a bit, looking pretty nice now. Not gonna lie, having Gnome + Flatpak on Ubuntu LTS base already puts it near the top of my list, the styling and added usability features puts it over the top. Ubuntu LTS base is also great for developers, as it seems most cloud images these days are just that. I've tried installing/building tools on other distros that I like more than Ubunt…

FYI, it doesn't use Gnome. It uses it's own DE based on Vala/GTK+/libmutter.

Aka, "Pantheon":

https://www.fosslinux.com/4652/pantheon-everything-you-need-...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementary_OS#Pantheon_desktop...

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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And this is exactly why some people prefer MacOS, which eOS is trying to emulate.

MacOS still has anachronistic design elements. My least favorite was the Dashboard, which long outstayed it's welcome...

Nothing is perfect, but the Dashboard can be completely ignored and doesn't get in your way.
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