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Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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I'm surprised they spend so much (presumably) time and effort on applications, especially 'Web' and 'Terminal'. How many users are actually going to use 'Web' as their browser? That said, I wish them all the best, because I use 'Files' (but not the distro) since it's the best I've found for the odd occasion where I think using a GUI file manager will be easier than the command line. I still wouldn't say it's good , j…

Web is just GNOME Web.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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I'm surprised they spend so much (presumably) time and effort on applications, especially 'Web' and 'Terminal'. How many users are actually going to use 'Web' as their browser? That said, I wish them all the best, because I use 'Files' (but not the distro) since it's the best I've found for the odd occasion where I think using a GUI file manager will be easier than the command line. I still wouldn't say it's good , j…

> I'm surprised they spend so much (presumably) time and effort on applications, especially 'Web' and 'Terminal'. How many users are actually going to use 'Web' as their browser?

Linux distros used to love to do this (maybe some still do?). They'd put whatever the "native" browser was for a desktop in as the default, and do the same for a bunch of other stuff.

Early Ubuntu's success was partly due to ignoring that crap and just installing whatever the user'd almost certainly actually want. Its defaults were way better—actually somewhat helpful, rather than harmful—as a result. Browser, on Linux in 2006? 95+% chance you want Firefox, so here you go. And so on.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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I tried eOS 5. The screenshots made it look the most user friendly of Linux distros (read: Apple knock off), and at first it feels that way. But it quickly starts to show how shallow that knock off is… and it’s a huge undertaking so I don’t blame them. First is what happens once you run anything that isn’t made by them — all of the sudden totally different UIs. Linux has this problem in spades because there is no sta…

This is pretty much why all the desktop Linux experiences fail. The major linux apps were all developed for different desktop experiences and so there's no consistency, even on things as basic as copy/paste shortcuts. It's very hard to get that without a powerful dictator shepherding the overall ecosystem and it's the achilles heel of FOSS for GUIs.

It is a crying shame that Linus, or some other benevolent dictator for life like Linus, never emerged to steer the Linux userland.

If there are parallel realities and alternate timelines, then somewhere out there is the one where everyone settled on GNUStep/WindowMaker in the 90s and Linux took over the Desktop by 2005.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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I've been running KDE Neon and they don't look out of place.

KDE does a better job of naturalizing GTK apps than the other way around.

I just use the Arc GTK theme and use the kvantum Qt theme’s Arc preset. Makes both look pretty much the same. Qogir is another one that’s kind of cross-desktop.

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I wasn't talking about performance, I was talking about compatibility with games. Sorry if that wasn't clear; I've edited. Valve has been doing amazing things in this space, but for now my understanding is that it's more of a "most games will work pretty well" scenario, which is not really what I want for my primary games machine.

Well thats the perk, you get games compatibility. Windows runs in a window with direct access to the GPU. I primary Windows because of games and music software, and I'm looking forward to trying it out. As another comment points out, its called VFIO. From that subreddit: "VFIO stands for Virtual Function I/O. VFIO is a device driver that is used to assign devices to virtual machines. One of the most common uses of vf…

That seems to imply that it can use the same GPU as the host? I thought a dedicated one was required (not just a 'common use').

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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I'm surprised they spend so much (presumably) time and effort on applications, especially 'Web' and 'Terminal'. How many users are actually going to use 'Web' as their browser? That said, I wish them all the best, because I use 'Files' (but not the distro) since it's the best I've found for the odd occasion where I think using a GUI file manager will be easier than the command line. I still wouldn't say it's good , j…

Web is just GNOME Web.

..ok. So they didn't have to put much/any effort in? Still though, how many users are actually going to use 'GNOME Web'?

If I installed this, even for an elderly relative or whatever rather than myself, probably my next step would be to install Firefox. (And for others it might be Chrome of course.)

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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I'm surprised they spend so much (presumably) time and effort on applications, especially 'Web' and 'Terminal'. How many users are actually going to use 'Web' as their browser? That said, I wish them all the best, because I use 'Files' (but not the distro) since it's the best I've found for the odd occasion where I think using a GUI file manager will be easier than the command line. I still wouldn't say it's good , j…

Web is just GNOME Web.

If this helps maintain GNOME Web then that is very good and important. I use Web to test websites for WebKit support on Linux, so that I don't have to operate a macOS/iOS install to run Safari. There are a few other options such as Nyxt https://nyxt.atlas.engineer/ which also support WebKit, but Web seems the simplest, easiest to install, and most mature / best maintained.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Elementary is great, the couple times I've tried it, I wasn't into the desktop paradigm it was encouraging me to use (e.g., no minimize button, native apps that are pretty and consistent but less functional). Will look forward to giving it another spin. Having recently begun using a Mac for the first time, and after having had to suffer with Win10 for a few years, I have to say that I didn't appreciate that several o…

How can one live without the minimize button? What does the OS recommend instead?

For a few persistent applications (terminal, calendar, chat client, email, ticket dashboard, wireframing tool, etc) I have them tiled on specific workspaces/monitors and I use a keyboard shortcut to jump to the relevant workspace. (I don't know about Elementary, but workspaces is what Gnome recommends for this kind of thing.)

In cases of transient windows (reference materials, docs I'm reviewing, internal wiki pages, screenshots) I just let them pile up willy-nilly on my desktop. When I need to find a specific window that is no longer visible I either tab through the application switcher or select it from the multitasking view.

It may sound like a "messy" approach to window management, but finding an open window using an app switcher or multitasking view seems neither more nor less efficient than finding that same window minimized in a taskbar/dock.

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