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Re: I closed a lot of browser tabs

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Very much this. I've attempted (largely unsuccessfully) to try to use Pocket (also a Mozilla product) to address this. The problem with Pocket is that it gets worse the more you use it. From four years ago: https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/5x2sfx/pocket_... A couple of those issues have been addressed. There's now "find in page" on the Android app, and editing tags is very slightly improved. But overall,…

I use Pocket a lot. There are like 10 easy feature requests I'd love for them to do but I find it at least usable for storing stuff and finding it later once you get used to it. Most of the problems in that post have been at least partly addressed, although I don't ever use tags so have no comments about those.

> There are like 10 easy feature requests I'd love for them to do

Consider that if Mozilla hadn't lied about how it was going to open source it when they announced they were buying Pocket (alternatively, if people actually held them accountable instead of demonstrating that the public's short memory means that you can lie about pretty much anything), then someone would have probably fixed at least a few of those.

If all you're doing is using it to store stuff, then instead of signalling to a company that bad behavior pays off by rewarding them for it, consider using Zotero instead, which doesn't have a history of being insultingly mendacious and by default keeps your data private (in the form of reliable, bog standard files on your own disk). Or, if you're willing to suffer through slightly more geekery, there's Perkeep/Camlistore.

Re: I closed a lot of browser tabs

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Isn't this tab fatigue of every user not more a hint that bookmarking is broken? I mean, no matter how I bookmark a website, omnibar is absolutely useless in every browser when it comes to re-discovering your bookmarks via keywords that you remember. Sometimes I bookmark the same URL multiple times, because the Browser is too stupid to realize that a #generated-hashbang or a ?utm_source is a generated tracking parame…

No, I see it as refusal to learn how to use bookmarks. I fail to see how what is so hard regarding organizing information in folders per subject, when in doubt choose the more generic one. Firefox also allows me to easily search for bookmarks, and has a quite nice bookmark manager. Using bookmarks since 1995 across different kinds of browsers, always migrating them along.

Yes, and you can easily also save your bookmarks to a new temp folder, and restore your tabs from that if you don't want to expend the energy to sort.

Just try to keep the tabs from growing beyond control.

Re: I closed a lot of browser tabs

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The new Chrome tab group is not great, but it does help. One group for things that are being processed (handle asap), one group for "stuff to check", one for each project I'm working on and one for entertainment. All with short names and their own color, so it takes up a minimum of space. The remaining space is for temporary tabs. Larger temporary side quests get their own window and will be either closed or moved in…

» It's still not as good as Firefox's nested Tree Style Tab once was (and might be again?) but I'm kind of locked into Chrome at this point. What terrible being is locking people into Chrome?

If it's where your passwords and addons live, switching takes effort. Besides, what is the big advantage of Firefox? Chrome has 65% of the worldwide market share. Firefox does not even have 4 [1]. About half of the stuff I build will literally only ever run in Chrome anyway.

[1] https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share

Re: I closed a lot of browser tabs

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I believe it is in Google's and Microsoft's interest to keep bookmarks crippled. Every time you forgo using your bookmarks to lookup something, you instead use their search services, which indirectly translates to money in their pocket.

So the reasoning is there's a Google corporate stooge sending secret emails to Mozilla, telling them "if you ever make a bookmark system better than ours, we'll pull all our Google funding"? I'm going to stick with Hanlon's razor and assume making a better bookmark system is non-trivial.

>So the reasoning is there's a Google corporate stooge sending secret emails to Mozilla

Ok.

Curious to know your theory on why Mozilla let go of the Servo team the same month Google agreed to give them hundreds of millions of dollars.

Re: I closed a lot of browser tabs

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Random aside: I want to be able to put the same bookmark in multiple folders!

also; From any bookmarked page, I want to be able to delete the bookmark, without having to go into bookmark manager, figure out which folder it's in and delete it. When I've read the page, I don't need the bookmark anymore. This is the #1 reason why I have > 60,000 bookmarks. I'd bet that 99% of them are obsolete, or I eventually read them. But it's kind of a monumental task to actually curate them.

I try to only bookmark things that are likely to remain relevant to me long term to some degree, and/or would be a pity to lose a path to for some reason.

But this is very hard to judge accurately

Re: I closed a lot of browser tabs

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My solution is simple: When I feel like I have a lot of tabs [0], I close all of them. What happens when I close a tab I wanted open? I use browser history. Browser history is one of those things that I feel most people don’t use enough. It’s easy to search, it contains everything you visited, and (for the macOS/iOS ecosystem at least) is synced across devices. A quick cmd-Y and search makes for a very efficient user…

This is what I do as well. For me, a lot is 7.

I do re-open closed tabs from the recently closed tabs list from every once in a while. Maybe 5 or so times a week.

Going into history is pretty rare, but sometimes happens. I probably do not need to do that even once a season/quarter.

Re: I closed a lot of browser tabs

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Don't bookmark tags solve this problem for you? firefox only though.

Is that an extension? It doesn't seem to be built in to FF. It would be great if there was tab grouping by tags and tags showing up on tab hover over!

It's built-in, you can add tags when you create a bookmark in firefox and yep, that tab grouping feature would be nice, Chrome has tab groups and you can name so it gets close.

Re: I closed a lot of browser tabs

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So the reasoning is there's a Google corporate stooge sending secret emails to Mozilla, telling them "if you ever make a bookmark system better than ours, we'll pull all our Google funding"? I'm going to stick with Hanlon's razor and assume making a better bookmark system is non-trivial.

>So the reasoning is there's a Google corporate stooge sending secret emails to Mozilla Ok. Curious to know your theory on why Mozilla let go of the Servo team the same month Google agreed to give them hundreds of millions of dollars.

Budget cuts.

The project had reportedly already integrated the major improvements from Servo into the main engine. It's not outlandish to assume that the marginal benefit of working on Servo was lower, compared to working on features on the main browser.

If you really want to go that route, you could make an argument that maybe Mozilla is handicapping Firefox's bookmark feature to get people to subscribe to Pocket... but people in this thread who are using Pocket also complain it doesn't solve their problems. What's the angle there? Pocket doesn't want paying customers?

Re: I closed a lot of browser tabs

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Is that an extension? It doesn't seem to be built in to FF. It would be great if there was tab grouping by tags and tags showing up on tab hover over!

It's built-in, you can add tags when you create a bookmark in firefox and yep, that tab grouping feature would be nice, Chrome has tab groups and you can name so it gets close.

It appears that you can't tag an existing bookmark, but only when you create it. Seems like a hobbled feature...
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