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Re: Firefox 91

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Post by FiveOhThree »

jamienicol wrote: post #105
FiveOhThree wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The new "chunky" layout and UI elements are not really an improvement, and a lot of users have been unhappy with this. Despite plentiful feedback about this during beta testing Mozilla have basically opted to force it through anyway. UI changes in general are something to expect, but if you're just going to disregard user feedback then you can't claim to respect users.

Equally a lot of users are happy with it. Should those users have been disregarded instead?

It's a good way to further push away a chunk of your userbase. They're moving towards a touch-friendly UI, but a lot of us just want a compact desktop app that doesn't waste screen space with excessive padding.

The proper solution to this would be to have different modes if this is so critical. To their credit they did put in a "compact" mode after beta, but this is explicitly "unsupported" and even then still has more padding than "large" mode in the old UI.

Re: Firefox 91

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Post by jodrellblank »

jseigj43 wrote: post #71
FiveOhThree wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd feel a lot more 'respected' if they didn't keep forcing unwanted UI changes on me.

If UI changes needed everyone's approval, we would still be looking like a 1990's browser.

Would that be so bad? Netscape Navigator 4.6 circa 1999: https://ia902901.us.archive.org/21/items/netscapecommunicato...

Twenty three years of churn has brought what UX benefits exactly? Hiding the protocol, hiding details about secure connections, hiding the status bar, hiding the text on tiny buttons, hiding the menus: https://mk0ghacksnety2pjrgh8.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/upload...

and for what? Optimising for people on 1366x768 laptops and people who don't want to do very much but search and click one result?

Re: Firefox 91

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Post by stronglikedan »

nanis wrote: post #2

WTF?! The color of my right-click menu changed again! I am sticking with Firefox simply because it is not Chrome, but this is silly. Why does the looks have to change constantly. The browser is where one ends up spending most of one's time these days and it is insane that I have to double-, triple-takes every time Firefox is upgraded. Don't get me started on videos starting to auto-play after certain updates, "studie…

I'd just be happy if the "system" theme actually honored my system theme. They broke that a few updates back. Now, instead of my focused window having a colored title bar to make it stand out, it's just a drab grey like my unfocused windows. It's little stuff like that which prevents me from using FF as my daily driver.

Re: Firefox 91

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Post by [deleted] »

yNeolh wrote: post #120
Renaud wrote: post #55

I'm always glad when I see Firefox churning along a new version. My overwhelming feeling is one of gratitude to the devs and people working on Firefox. It's the last bastion of Browser independence with super-high customizability. I also tend to use Edge over Chrome now. MS has done a pretty good job of making that a nice experience, BUT they are also pushing some less palatable ones. For instance, t used to be simpl…

What I don't like about Firefox is the fact that it will load all the tabs and windows you had opened before shuting down the computer and there is not a clean way to make it stop. When I finish my day, I like to shutdown the computer and go to sleep or whatever and every day when I open Firefox, all the windows will reopen and I need to close it and re-start... I just want to be able to disable this behaviour from t…

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Re: Firefox 91

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga »

jseigj43 wrote: post #71
FiveOhThree wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd feel a lot more 'respected' if they didn't keep forcing unwanted UI changes on me.

If UI changes needed everyone's approval, we would still be looking like a 1990's browser.

I see no problem with that. I downloaded the most recent version of Netscape Navigator a few days ago and while it's unusable for HTTPS websites, plain HTTP browsing is quite pleasant and surprisingly fast (even though it uses only one core). What is particularly nice is the SERP page of Google - very tidy and without any ads.

Re: Firefox 91

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Post by deelly »

pineconewarrior wrote: post #11
nanis wrote: post #2

WTF?! The color of my right-click menu changed again! I am sticking with Firefox simply because it is not Chrome, but this is silly. Why does the looks have to change constantly. The browser is where one ends up spending most of one's time these days and it is insane that I have to double-, triple-takes every time Firefox is upgraded. Don't get me started on videos starting to auto-play after certain updates, "studie…

Yeah I was going to say, this sounds like a problem on your end. Glad you got it figured out. The UX of the forced theme change should be improved, however!

...the theme I had settled on after the last update is no longer supported...

Definitely problem on a author ends.

Re: Firefox 91

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Post by rofrol »

nguyenkien wrote: post #74
Renaud wrote: post #55

I'm always glad when I see Firefox churning along a new version. My overwhelming feeling is one of gratitude to the devs and people working on Firefox. It's the last bastion of Browser independence with super-high customizability. I also tend to use Edge over Chrome now. MS has done a pretty good job of making that a nice experience, BUT they are also pushing some less palatable ones. For instance, t used to be simpl…

"Try that on Edge now. It's basically impossible from the settings." Not that hard: https://imgur.com/a/yVBOnjY clean new tab page: https://imgur.com/a/YdLyWrt

It is not new tab but what pages are open on restart.

This is where you customize new tab

https://imgur.com/a/Jzpq7Rs

This gives empty page https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/empty-new-tab-page...

Via https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftedge/forum/all/...

Re: Firefox 91

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Post by [deleted] »

yNeolh wrote: post #120
Renaud wrote: post #55

I'm always glad when I see Firefox churning along a new version. My overwhelming feeling is one of gratitude to the devs and people working on Firefox. It's the last bastion of Browser independence with super-high customizability. I also tend to use Edge over Chrome now. MS has done a pretty good job of making that a nice experience, BUT they are also pushing some less palatable ones. For instance, t used to be simpl…

What I don't like about Firefox is the fact that it will load all the tabs and windows you had opened before shuting down the computer and there is not a clean way to make it stop. When I finish my day, I like to shutdown the computer and go to sleep or whatever and every day when I open Firefox, all the windows will reopen and I need to close it and re-start... I just want to be able to disable this behaviour from t…

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Re: Firefox 91

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #85
FiveOhThree wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd feel a lot more 'respected' if they didn't keep forcing unwanted UI changes on me.

You mean like most major platforms do from time to time, even FOSS ones like Gnome? With most things, if you want to completely avoid eventual, inevitable UI changes, you need to just never upgrade.

> even FOSS ones like Gnome?

This sounds like a counter-argument. What the Gnome team did (during the 2->3 transition) was a huge overhaul while completely ignoring the habits and wishes of their users. I understand they had to rewrite the old code, that's perfect. I also understand they wanted to "refresh the UI" at the same time. But you can't just change everything and think your users will be happy. If you act against the wishes of your users, who do you write your software for? It simply made no sense and that's why people turned to MATE.

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