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Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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post #152

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> Americans must use every legal and constitutional tool in their arsenal to fight abuse and protect their children. They could start by regulating guns. That would prevent the death, injury, and traumatisation of many children[1]. As a bonus, it would do the same for adults[2]. Or they could deal with the “urgent and preventable crisis” of having 1 in 6 children living in poverty[3]. People in these discussions aren…

Please don't use Whataboutism to derail this thread. This discussion is about handling Child Sexual Abuse Material (CSAM) on iPhones.

> Please don't use Whataboutism to derail this thread.

Please take my reply in full. The third paragraph addresses your larger point—consider it in isolation and the argument stands. The first two are there to provide context—they cover the notion that many in power only care to “protect the children” when that slogan helps them reach their own goals.

Your posts were downvoted to grey; there’s nothing to “derail”. I’m pointing out to you that the larger discussion isn’t about CSAM, but about the very real possibility that CSAM is being used as an excuse for a stepping stone to a system which will be abused for unrelated matters.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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"Privacy is a fundamental human right. At Apple, it’s also one of our core values. Your devices are important to so many parts of your life. What you share from those experiences, and who you share it with, should be up to you. We design Apple products to protect your privacy and give you control over your information. It’s not always easy. But that’s the kind of innovation we believe in." [0]

So hypocritical.

[0] https://www.apple.com/privacy/

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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The answer is simple. Disable iCloud/iMessage, backup/restore your files the old fashioned way, and use Telegram or something for messaging. Don’t even opt into any of the ways they can spy on you. iCloud and iMessage suck anyways, you aren’t really losing anything of value

Telegram is no more encrypted than iCloud.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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This really is something Tim needs to address before he again stands on stage and give lip service to Privacy with a capital P. We also need hardball journalists to start asking Tim these tough questions instead of fawning over AirPods And we need employees to start demanding this internally

Why? They keep claiming being earth loving green hippies while mandating shredding of perfectly repairable/reusable products. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBqSOA9wRPk Doesnt seem to bother too many of their clients.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Local encryption of backups is very easy. I could code a basic implementation in an afternoon that would lack sophisticated security features but would be "correct" and far better than nothing.

There's software out there to do it, but it tends to be geeks-only FOSS tools or obscure "advanced" settings in backup engines on things like NAS devices. None of those things are mainstream.

The fact that a feature like this doesn't come built into things like Dropbox is puzzling until you consider that large companies have probably been heavily pressured against mainstreaming this kind of encryption. The absence of encryption as a standard option (even if not the default) in things like remote storage, cloud file sharing, and e-mail tools can really only be explained this way since I know for a fact that some percentage of business users would love it.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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> false claims that Apple has made regarding their respect for users privacy What false claim have they made?

See the title.

The title doesn’t contain a claim made by Apple.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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> false claims that Apple has made regarding their respect for users privacy What false claim have they made?

Every claim that Apple makes about respecting user privacy is false because Apple does not allow users the means to independently verify the claims made by Apple regarding security. Additionally Apple does not allow users the means t control the hardware that they purchase by for instance, installing whatever software that they want on their devices.

You say ‘every claim’. I’m asking which claims. Can you find one?

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Some have speculated that with the introduction of the PSI/CSAM system Apple will enable E2EE backups. Given the lack of an explicit statement on Apple's part and their history regarding E2EE backups (this article, and other statements). It seems really unlikely to me that Apple will enable E2EE backups. Under E2EE, assuming the device key is randomly generated, if you have one device (as many users do) and you lose…

So I can encrypt my files but does that mean it'll still be proactively scanned for MFing child pornography without any prior evidence? I don't want that on my phone because I'm not a criminal.

Solution: Don't buy Apple.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Some have speculated that with the introduction of the PSI/CSAM system Apple will enable E2EE backups. Given the lack of an explicit statement on Apple's part and their history regarding E2EE backups (this article, and other statements). It seems really unlikely to me that Apple will enable E2EE backups. Under E2EE, assuming the device key is randomly generated, if you have one device (as many users do) and you lose…

> if you have one device (as many users do) and you lose that device you would lose all your data. The alternative is the key is derived from your iCloud password, in which case, if you forget your password, you lose all your data. This is all a good point. Purely coincidentally, the imminent next release of iOS adds new account recovery options: https://9to5mac.com/2021/08/06/how-to-use-icloud-data-recove...

> Purely coincidentally, the imminent next release of iOS adds new account recovery options

The scariest thing about this update to me is that it makes one's iCloud account incompatible (permanently?) with iOS and Mac devices that are not on iOS 15 or Monterey.

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