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Re: South Korea: The only middle power of its kind

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Post by rjzzleep » Fri, Aug 06, 2021, 2:13 PM UTC

soperj wrote: post #433

rjzzleep wrote: post #377

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Where did you get this number from ? I see 90 days. 60 paid full and if its anything like other Asian countries there a pretty low limit for the partial paid part. Maybe you can take a year but you will almost certainly not keep your job afterwards. I guess 45 days after birth is much better than most US jurisdictions. If the father does get it and doesn’t take it it will most certainly also be because of fear of pun…

the 90 days is just maternity leave. For parental leave you have a year, and by law you can't lose your job.

I hate the fact that you didn't even bother looking up your claims, because you don't really understand the law. And the fact that I had to just spent 15 minutes on correcting you.

Maternity leave is 90 days( Article 74 (Protection of Pregnant Women and Nursing Mothers [0]), paternity leave is actually 10 days( Article 18-2 Paternity Leave [1]).

What you're referring to is CHAPTER III-2 assistance for work-family balance. And it only applies "provided, That this shall not apply to cases prescribed by Presidential Decree, such as where it is impossible to employ his or her substitute or where the normal operation of business is significantly impeded"[1]. The burden of proof like always is on the employee.

And while you can't get fired during(provided the presidential decree doesn't apply to you), the employee may still try to get rid of you after you did it. But this also needs explaining that people in South Korea oftentimes stay with their employer a lifetime, that 1 year maybe chosen across 8 years of the Childs birth, and it's unlikely that in Asian culture someone will dare taking it in the first year of their employment.

[0] https://elaw.klri.re.kr/eng_service/lawView.do?hseq=25437&la...

[1] https://elaw.klri.re.kr/kor_service/lawView.do?lang=ENG&hseq...

Re: South Korea: The only middle power of its kind

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Post by harpersealtako » Fri, Aug 06, 2021, 4:45 PM UTC

int_19h wrote: post #375

harpersealtako wrote: post #303

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The point of having both proportional and state-based voting is to incentivize both small and large states to stay in the union. The optimization is for political unity over perfectly representative democracy. It makes perfect sense when you consider the ideals and goals of its implementation -- that being a compromise in order to convince both small states and large states to cede large parts of their sovereignty to…

This made sense back when the states were actually mostly self-governing polities, and there were relatively few pertinent issues on the federal level. But this is no longer the case today, and in practice, EC and Senate result in a "tyranny of the minority", where the minority can not only veto the majority's agenda, but actually push their own instead.

The small states who have excess control in the Senate cannot tyrannize the large states (except by maintaining the status quo), because the House of Representatives still exists. No new policy can get passed unless both a majority of states' representatives and a majority of the population's representatives agree -- if they disagree, the worst you get is gridlock, not "tyranny of the minority".

Re: South Korea: The only middle power of its kind

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Post by afjl » Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 2:17 AM UTC

iammisc wrote: post #259

BurningFrog wrote: post #206

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Hungary and Poland are making serious efforts to boost their birth rates. Hungary gives life time tax exemption to mothers of 4 children, and may lower that to 3. It's too early to tell if it's working. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/04/baby-bonuses-f...

Hungary and Poland also have incredibly interventionist governments who are happy to not only ecourage family formation through economic policy but also cultural policy. The former is fairly easy and many other developed countries are going down that road. The latter is the part that some countries in Western Europe and the USA do not want to touch with a ten foot pole, but it is the more important metric. You want m…

No offense, but this seems like a very weak, and virtually un-falsifiable, theory. Is there rigorous data that suggests culture is a major factor in driving population growth? Economic policy, housing and family-planning policy, education and labor policy, are the only true factors that undeniably and reliably drive population growth.

Re: South Korea: The only middle power of its kind

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Post by twelve40 » Mon, Aug 16, 2021, 5:36 AM UTC

novok wrote: post #197

twelve40 wrote: post #170

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> Encouraging births isn't hard if a government decides its important Do you have any examples or even just any precedents how decades of declines and lowest birth rate in the world have been easily and successfully turned around, or this is all just hypothetically probably not hard?

The examples are older and from authoritarian countries, but china and iran had state sponsored baby booms. China was started by mao, iran was also started by the revolutionaries shortly after the revolution. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2009/06/why-does-iran-ha...

Thank you for sharing, it was interesting to read. However, the article is not at all clear about the actual effect of those state measures. Wikipedia says that the steadily high total fertility rate in that country plummeted after 1985.