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Done with YC: Age Discrimination

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Re: Done with YC: Age Discrimination

#11

You've got YC one-itis. There are a zillion other places to raise money. Any one funding source says no 98% of the time, it has nothing to do with you. -a 55 year old founder who just raised a $20M Series A

You seem to have raised money before almost 20 years ago. That sure must help.

Re: Done with YC: Age Discrimination

#12
post #8

From what I've read, YC also has a preference for companies with multiple founders. So being a solo probably didn't help.

He says as much in his post : > An established bias against solo founders And it is an age discriminator. It gets a lot harder to get a team together after a certain age. Peers already have obligations.

Apparently the median age at which founders start "billion dollar businesses" is 34 [0] (the same article references a HBR study that says that mentions an age of 45 for "successful" entrepreneurs). That would also generally correlate to an age where one's peers have ongoing obligations (financial, family).

[0] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/27/super-founders-median-age-of...

Re: Done with YC: Age Discrimination

#13

You've got YC one-itis. There are a zillion other places to raise money. Any one funding source says no 98% of the time, it has nothing to do with you. -a 55 year old founder who just raised a $20M Series A

I had a convo with an angel who was asking me (for some reason) for advice on breaking into the YC investor network.

The most surprising thing is that angels appear to be semi-excluded now. I don’t have anything more than two datapoints:

1. That angel who reached out to me

2. The fact that the YC investor demo day application explicitly excludes angels.

Of course, #2 is misleading. You can certainly submit an app as an angel. You just can’t fill out >5 of the fields, because they begin with “If you represent an investment firm…”

The takeaway for me was, ironically, there may be an opportunity for angels to band together and take some risks. YC is all about risk analysis. If they don’t want to risk it on a 58yo solo founder with satellites in orbit, perhaps others will.

But you’re right about YC one-itis. Right now it’s hard to see any alternatives. They do exist, though.

EDIT: By the way, a word to OP: don’t take rejection so hard. (http://www.paulgraham.com/judgement.html helps with this.) One of the key features of YC is that they invest in people who look like a good bet. As I was reading though your post, I couldn’t help but think that pivoting a few times may not be a good bet. It’s true that startups do pivot, but not having a clear idea of who your customers are is also a warning sign.

As someone else said, put some contact info in your profile. You’ll get dozens of people reaching out to you from this thread if you hurry.

Of course, you could be right about the discrimination aspect, which is different. In that case, rejection would be personal.

Re: Done with YC: Age Discrimination

#14
This is a sensitive topic, so I hope my question comes off as genuinely curious and not invalidating to the OPs experience, but rather a general question about how applicant selection ought to work. I wonder if the OP has some qualities that are weakly or strongly correlated with age (e.g. number of "older silicon valley institutions" one has worked at), and YC was selecting on those factors rather than explicitly filtering based on age.

My question is: if there exists some correlation between a protected class and some other variable X, is it moral to select based on X?

What happens if X is highly predictive of some conventional success metric (e.g. ability to raise a series A)?

Things that come to mind: redlining, use of zip code in credit score prediction, etc. If we deem these immoral, is the implication that we should perform selection within protected classes, and within non-protected classes (e.g. p(X|is protected class)), and guarantee equality of outcome (or non-discrimination of protected classes based on X)?

Note that I'm not saying YC was doing this - might just be standard unconscious bias.

Re: Done with YC: Age Discrimination

#15

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't YC started explicitly to select drastically younger founders at a time when the prevailing narrative was that startup founders should be generally around 30 for optimum likelihood of success? Given that history, how should we interpret this critique? Has YC failed to evolve alongside the shift in its perception in the startup world?

Correct, and yet YC has also greatly grown-up from it's humble start of 20K and a flight to find a flop-house in Palo Alto.

I agree with OP's point on the inherant age discrimination within technology, I say this because I was once a biased younger human who didn't have the life experience to understand the other side.

I remember saying "software is a young man's game", I cringe at times of the hubris of the earlier me, it's really funny how time works.

Now I'm an executive as opposed to a hotshot programmer, with the responsibility to help lead a team of diverse humans. I marvel at the brilliance of some of the talent that is emerging in the software space and yet I wonder if we aren't doing enough to teach ethics and help humans address their biases earlier.

But we idolize the hackers who burn through their days and nights converting caffeine, beer, snacks to functional software and hardware.

Even Elon Musk slept on the assembly line of the Tesla plant, so it's not like executives are liberated from this self immolation.

As for those who self-fund or are solo founders in general, you've got a hard road ahead of you, finding those early believers (co-founders) is mega important, I've never been able to make something of serious consequence without a team of hardworking humans to help. When the startup days are hard, they are there to cheer you up, when you're crushing it, they're celebrating the wins. I will say that the best companies are a team game.

OP, I really wish you the best of luck, reachout if you ever wanna, it's nice to vent.

Re: Done with YC: Age Discrimination

#16
My father-in-law holds degrees from Stanford and Harvard, and has similarly struggled to find a job as he's grown older. When I referred him to an open position at my company, his un-edited resume matched almost perfectly, but the recruiter called him "too operational" -- and obviously had not dug in to who he was. I didn't push it but it seemed that his gray hair visible in his LinkedIn profile was a put off. I can't understand this. What is their line of thinking? That older people are too set in their ways? They command too much salary? They will not be a cultural fit because of an age gap? Can anyone describe the position of those who slyly or effectively hire a younger crowd only? (I realize this is a different context than VC world, which the author is talking about but I think it's similar enough to contribute to the discussion here.)

Re: Done with YC: Age Discrimination

#17
Paul Graham has basically admitted to age discrimination in the past, and YC is just not the panacea that its founders perpetrated. More companies in YC are worthless and fail, and the whole thing just smells of ladder-climbing. You're better off building value in your company than asking anyone else what to do.

Re: Done with YC: Age Discrimination

#18
post #16

My father-in-law holds degrees from Stanford and Harvard, and has similarly struggled to find a job as he's grown older. When I referred him to an open position at my company, his un-edited resume matched almost perfectly, but the recruiter called him "too operational" -- and obviously had not dug in to who he was. I didn't push it but it seemed that his gray hair visible in his LinkedIn profile was a put off. I can'…

> What is their line of thinking?

Bias, plain and simple.

Re: Done with YC: Age Discrimination

#20
I've never applied for YC funding, or any kind of seed funding, I don't know much about the world of startups but

>YC evaluators are explicitly biased. There is such a thing as unconscious bias. We know and understand this in the racial domain.

Yes they are, everyone is, it's the way of it.

Yes they know who they want to give their money to. In the end like anyone else, whether it's a job interview or applying for grants, which I have done, or applying for seed funding, who you are compared to the values of the people you are applying to matters.

You can be 110% qualified and not 'fit the culture' and be rejected. It's just the way of life and something everyone really should just accept because it will never change.

You can and will be rejected from things in life because of things you cannot change and sometimes you will have no idea why and you will never get an explanation. Or, if you're lucky, you will get an explanation that essentially amounts to 'I dunno I just don't like the cut of your jibe.' That's life for ya though.

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