If you wanna screw someone over and you know they have an iPhone with icloud backup set up, you can whatsapp them a pic that matches CP signature.
... an innocuous hash-collision one FTW
Apple wants to redefine what it means to violate your privacy. We mustn’t let it
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Re: Apple wants to redefine what it means to violate your privacy. We mustn’t let it
#12If you wanna screw someone over and you know they have an iPhone with icloud backup set up, you can whatsapp them a pic that matches CP signature.
Digital Swatting
Re: Apple wants to redefine what it means to violate your privacy. We mustn’t let it
#13The thing that scares me isn't so much the violation of privacy. It's the idea that some computer algorithm can accuse me of a crime automatically with no evidence and generate an investigation. Judging by how police respond to these leads, you can end up in jail based on this "Evidence." While you wait for a 6 month investigation to be completed you lose your job and get an arrest record. Even if your photo is just…
There is a human review (ugh.) as well. But still, your example is very concerning.
From Apple's announcements, there is a human comparison of the visual hashes. They don't appear to be forcing humans to view the images themselves.
Re: Apple wants to redefine what it means to violate your privacy. We mustn’t let it
#14I know about nothing on this topic, so my only comment is that every time I read something along "please think of the children!" it suddenly raises warning flags.
There are numerous valuable child protection laws and services against which your knee-jerk would be unwarranted. It just happens to be warranted this time around.
He didn't say that all measures to protect children should be rejected out of hand. He is just saying that if someones argument starts and ends with fear baiting around children then they probably have ulterior motives.
Re: Apple wants to redefine what it means to violate your privacy. We mustn’t let it
#15If you wanna screw someone over and you know they have an iPhone with icloud backup set up, you can whatsapp them a pic that matches CP signature.
Same is applicable for Android for the past 10 years if you have enabled backup to Google Photo (everyone has). Or to Microsoft OneDrive or even Dropbox.
People tend to focus only on Apple and ignore everything else.
Re: Apple wants to redefine what it means to violate your privacy. We mustn’t let it
#16I know about nothing on this topic, so my only comment is that every time I read something along "please think of the children!" it suddenly raises warning flags.
There are numerous valuable child protection laws and services against which your knee-jerk would be unwarranted. It just happens to be warranted this time around.
It's the same excuse the EU are currently using to infringe upon its citizens' privacy and require messaging application providers to install backdoors. It's an appeal to emotion, and since we have to assume that these legislators are intelligent, it's a disgusting overreach.
Re: Apple wants to redefine what it means to violate your privacy. We mustn’t let it
#17I know about nothing on this topic, so my only comment is that every time I read something along "please think of the children!" it suddenly raises warning flags.
There are numerous valuable child protection laws and services against which your knee-jerk would be unwarranted. It just happens to be warranted this time around.
True. More generally, "think of the children" is representative of a class of moral imperative arguments. Such arguments are easily abused by policy makers as they are an emotional short-circuit of logical reasoning. Being skeptical of people who make such arguments is healthy.
Re: Apple wants to redefine what it means to violate your privacy. We mustn’t let it
#18I know about nothing on this topic, so my only comment is that every time I read something along "please think of the children!" it suddenly raises warning flags.
There are numerous valuable child protection laws and services against which your knee-jerk would be unwarranted. It just happens to be warranted this time around.
That doesn't mean that "think of the children" shouldn't raise warning flags.
The fact that good child protection laws exist doesn't invalidate the fact that "child protection" is frequently and increasingly used to push through bad laws.
Re: Apple wants to redefine what it means to violate your privacy. We mustn’t let it
#19The thing that scares me isn't so much the violation of privacy. It's the idea that some computer algorithm can accuse me of a crime automatically with no evidence and generate an investigation. Judging by how police respond to these leads, you can end up in jail based on this "Evidence." While you wait for a 6 month investigation to be completed you lose your job and get an arrest record. Even if your photo is just…
Say it louder. Recently I opposed this and was met with "I bet you don't have children."
I do, and I am black and so are they, and I'm quite familiar of the present state of facial recognition tech (and, of course, the justice system generally) when it comes to people who look like us.
This is all unacceptable, and the fact that some of it has already come to pass is no reason to not fix it.
Re: Apple wants to redefine what it means to violate your privacy. We mustn’t let it
#20What Apple is doing is the equivalent of the police one day deciding to search everyone’s physical home photo albums just in case there’s a picture of an illegal activity.