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Crystal arrangement results in more power from ferroelectric solar cells

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Re: Crystal arrangement results in more power from ferroelectric solar cells

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What is: Power output per m2? Durability (life span)? Production cost? At least theoretical ...

This type of cheeky criticism is probably fair when you have a startup claiming crazy numbers with no prototype, but this is reporting on a paper from a research institution. No need for snark.

criticism, snark ?!

What are you talking about?! All I am trying to get some numbers, if anyone has them, but it seems amount of unhelpful comments begins to be overwhelming on HN.

Re: Crystal arrangement results in more power from ferroelectric solar cells

#32

I thought solar conversion efficiency was a large fraction already. There's no room for 1000x improvement. Maybe 20%. What is this title talking about?

The article says “the current flow was up to 1,000 times stronger”. I don’t know what that means.

Re: Crystal arrangement results in more power from ferroelectric solar cells

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I thought solar conversion efficiency was a large fraction already. There's no room for 1000x improvement. Maybe 20%. What is this title talking about?

These are ferroelectric, rather than the more efficient silicon cells used for most solar energy.

Re: Crystal arrangement results in more power from ferroelectric solar cells

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Reminds me of my masters research at university. My work was based on hybrid organic-inorganic solar devices based on boron subphthalocyanine chloride and an optimised optical spacer layer. One day, one variation of the type of cell I was producing was over double the output efficiency of what we usually expected. Was exciting until we realised the solar testing rig had been erroneously set to the equivalent output o…

> set to the equivalent output of two suns... I didn't realize we have achieved a Kardashev Type II civilization already :)

Achieving the effect locally for a few milliseconds has been possible for like 70 years now.

Damn hard to get a license for that nowadays, though, no matter how important your science is.

Re: Crystal arrangement results in more power from ferroelectric solar cells

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Reminds me of my masters research at university. My work was based on hybrid organic-inorganic solar devices based on boron subphthalocyanine chloride and an optimised optical spacer layer. One day, one variation of the type of cell I was producing was over double the output efficiency of what we usually expected. Was exciting until we realised the solar testing rig had been erroneously set to the equivalent output o…

One day… two suns. Talk about playing God. :-) That sounds like fascinating research.

I mean, do we really need Jupiter as is? Everything Jupiter has done for us with clearing out the trash from the solar system would have been done by a 2nd smaller sun as well.

Re: Crystal arrangement results in more power from ferroelectric solar cells

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For those like me, who didn't get this at first. It's about improving output from ferroelectric solar cells, a specific type of solar cells, which are easier to build than regular ones made of silicon. But they usually aren't as effective as the silicon ones.

yup, my thoughts exactly. otherwise a 1000x increase in 30%-ish efficient pv silicon-based solar cells would be far above unity

Depends on how you count.

If your process is 30% efficient, it wastes 70% of input. If you increase efficiency 1000x, it wastes 70% / 1000 = 0.007% of input, so it's 99.993% efficient.

Re: Crystal arrangement results in more power from ferroelectric solar cells

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This Red widget is 1000x better than older Red widget designs. Even though Green widgets are still much better.

But red widgets might be cheaper to mass produce. Maybe. I don't know I'm knee deep in analogies now.

But how long do red widgets last compared to the green widgets? Since red widgets have been so woefully under performing compared to the green widgets, has anyone seriously looked at the red widget for long term viability or is this just flash in the pan type performance? Just to beat up the analogy further.

Re: Crystal arrangement results in more power from ferroelectric solar cells

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One day… two suns. Talk about playing God. :-) That sounds like fascinating research.

I mean, do we really need Jupiter as is? Everything Jupiter has done for us with clearing out the trash from the solar system would have been done by a 2nd smaller sun as well.

Here we are, trying to improve solar cells to avoid global warming, and dissidents like you want to add a sun to the solar system.

Re: Crystal arrangement results in more power from ferroelectric solar cells

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This type of cheeky criticism is probably fair when you have a startup claiming crazy numbers with no prototype, but this is reporting on a paper from a research institution. No need for snark.

criticism, snark ?! What are you talking about?! All I am trying to get some numbers, if anyone has them, but it seems amount of unhelpful comments begins to be overwhelming on HN.

Seems like some people are unable to handle actual questions on anything that appears challenging and want to dismiss as being hyper critical and snarky for not just drinking the kool-aid.

There was no snarky tone-of-voice in your reply when I read it. Maybe cultural differences? Please, kindly inform me of the output of the power output per m2? Also, is there any information available regarding the durability (lifespan) of the product? Who's got time to be that formal on something as an internet forum? I read topic, now here's some questions I have is perfectly fine. Some people possibly just need to get thicker skins and realize that not everyone out there is trying to be an asshole and just stop reading things in that manner.

Re: Crystal arrangement results in more power from ferroelectric solar cells

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One day… two suns. Talk about playing God. :-) That sounds like fascinating research.

I mean, do we really need Jupiter as is? Everything Jupiter has done for us with clearing out the trash from the solar system would have been done by a 2nd smaller sun as well.

And I thought we were supposed to reduce global warming ;-)
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