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Re: Messaging and chat control

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Post by foerbert »

sneak wrote: post #16
cwizou wrote: post #10

Assuming this is correct (I only followed a couple of links, but it would be the EU planning to mandate content scan for CSAM on all e-mail and messaging platforms, after making it legal/optional already to do so earlier this year), I guess this answer the question of why Apple released their tech. While it made little sense on iCloud Photos, they can add the exact same client-side scanning to iMessage and keep it (m…

iMessage has an e2e backdoor on by default in the form of plaintext escrow via iCloud Backup (not e2e). iMessage is, in practice today, no longer e2e. Apple knows this and intentionally preserves this backdoor for the FBI: https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1ZK1CT

For a little more context, see https://www.howtogeek.com/710509/apples-imessage-is-secure.....

For those unfamiliar, as I was, it appears iCloud backup is enabled by default. I think the above statement about iMessage not being e2e in practice is very fair.

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Post by hutzlibu »

ant6n wrote: post #35
zibzab wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hold your horses, put down the pitchforks. You realise the author is a _member of the European Parliament_?? And at least in my corner of EU we vote on who to send to EU parliament. You can vote on whoever you want in the national elections and then vote for the pirate party for the EU seat. Edit: from your comment history I guess you vote far right, which is usually the part of EU pushing hardest for these measures?…

You realize a single or even multiple MPs cant block the passing of laws in parlaiment, since laws are passed by majorities, not consensus/unanimiusly. So please do get out those pitch, especially since this is the next level of surveillance.

What you are in effect saying is, since your (our) positions have not the majority in parliament, we need to resort to violence?

Can we try other established democratic ways, like voting, petitioning, demonstrating, etc. before that?

Re: Messaging and chat control

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Post by collaborative »

As the developer of an E2EE chat system, how could this affect me? Would I be forced to do something? I fall under a non-EU jurisdiction, and my servers are also outside of the EU. Would this apply to me or my users in the least? Thanks

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Post by jokethrowaway »

toxik wrote: post #46
kecupochren wrote: post #24

The news are pretty depressing these last couple of days. We're marching towards very dystopian future.

We have had unprecedented growth and development in the world, it's just that bad news sells more papers. Don't let it bring you down!

There is not much to rejoice if all that growth will go in the hands of the few friends of the government, leaving a richer 0.01%, a broken middle class and unstable societies.

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Post by c01n »

kleiba wrote: post #6

Privacy is something that people usually only care about on a theoretical level. Practically speaking, they're often happy to not care so much at all if they get something more tangible in return. --- Company: Excuse me, would you mind us profiling you through an accurate survey of most of your everyday purchases? Customer: Heck no! Company: What if we let you collect "points" that will maybe someday safe you a littl…

> Privacy is something that people usually only care about on a theoretical level. Practically speaking, they're often happy to not care so much at all if they get something more tangible in return.

Because not everyone is a Programmer. Most people I know have never even heard about Snowden.

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Post by ailef »

toxik wrote: post #46
kecupochren wrote: post #24

The news are pretty depressing these last couple of days. We're marching towards very dystopian future.

We have had unprecedented growth and development in the world, it's just that bad news sells more papers. Don't let it bring you down!

I guess this is sarcastic?

Re: Messaging and chat control

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #23

I wonder how much people there actually are who don't yet know child porn is a classic bullshit excuse governments use every time they want more control over the Internet. It's so classic, so blatant it feels cringy already. Not even for a second I would believe they do this to actually protect children.

Whenever a politician invokes "think of the children", ask them about their funding of Child Protection Services.

Any political action that's said to be under the umbrella of "think of the children" that doesn't provide additional funding to existing Child Protection Services is for reasons other than child protection. Additionally, it's actively working against helping children because the funds for "this new thing", if the goal really was for actually protecting vulnerable children, would be better spent on improving the coverage that existing Child Protection Services provide.

A close friend of mine is in a position that requires "mandatory reporting" training, and they say it's relatively pointless because Child Services only has the resources to investigate cases in which the child's life is in immediate danger. This may be somewhere along the scale of hyperbole, but I doubt it's too far from reality.

Of course, removing children from danger is often removing them from their parents / legal guardians, which comes with its own set of risks.

Either way, funding boots-on-the-ground work with leads from local social workers, early childhood educators, teachers has to be the best way to actually protect at-risk children.

Re: Messaging and chat control

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Post by richardwhiuk »

suction wrote: post #45
kristjank wrote: post #3

I think this isn't getting nearly enough traction, especially considering how undemocratic EU's legislative procedures can get. Considering the lack of direct democracy in the European Union, exposure and public protest is the only viable way to oppose this legislature. There's also an ongoing petition against the legislature: https://www.openpetition.eu/petition/online/preserve-eprivac...

The lack of direct democracy in the EU is the only thing that keeps it from becoming the UK.

Most major democratic governments don't have direct democracy.
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