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Messaging and chat control

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Re: Messaging and chat control

#3
I think this isn't getting nearly enough traction, especially considering how undemocratic EU's legislative procedures can get. Considering the lack of direct democracy in the European Union, exposure and public protest is the only viable way to oppose this legislature. There's also an ongoing petition against the legislature: https://www.openpetition.eu/petition/online/preserve-eprivac...

Re: Messaging and chat control

#4
It’s the same people who believe in medical apartheid that are bringing this in. All under the guise of the greater good. Who is it good for because it’s not for the publics. Law enforcement brutality exists online too and all over the world. It’s not simply a US phenomenon. Sickens me that they use children as an excuse. If they really gave a crap about kids there is so much that could be done right now.

Re: Messaging and chat control

#6
Privacy is something that people usually only care about on a theoretical level. Practically speaking, they're often happy to not care so much at all if they get something more tangible in return.

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Company: Excuse me, would you mind us profiling you through an accurate survey of most of your everyday purchases?

Customer: Heck no!

Company: What if we let you collect "points" that will maybe someday safe you a little bit of money on one of these purchases?

Customer: Sign me up!

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Company: Excuse me, would you mind us recording everywhere you go all day every day and store that information for at least six months?

Customer: Heck no!

Company: What if you get a pocket computer with fast mobile internet connection in return, the corner stone of modern life?

Customer: Sign me up!

Re: Messaging and chat control

#7

It’s the same people who believe in medical apartheid that are bringing this in. All under the guise of the greater good. Who is it good for because it’s not for the publics. Law enforcement brutality exists online too and all over the world. It’s not simply a US phenomenon. Sickens me that they use children as an excuse. If they really gave a crap about kids there is so much that could be done right now.

Medical apartheid? What’s that referring to?

Re: Messaging and chat control

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post #6

Privacy is something that people usually only care about on a theoretical level. Practically speaking, they're often happy to not care so much at all if they get something more tangible in return. --- Company: Excuse me, would you mind us profiling you through an accurate survey of most of your everyday purchases? Customer: Heck no! Company: What if we let you collect "points" that will maybe someday safe you a littl…

True. Although nothing-to-hiders will chime in quickly, stating that their shopping history isn't really that important to their sense of privacy.

Re: Messaging and chat control

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post #7

It’s the same people who believe in medical apartheid that are bringing this in. All under the guise of the greater good. Who is it good for because it’s not for the publics. Law enforcement brutality exists online too and all over the world. It’s not simply a US phenomenon. Sickens me that they use children as an excuse. If they really gave a crap about kids there is so much that could be done right now.

Medical apartheid? What’s that referring to?

Presumably they're referring to requirements for vaccinations to attend large public gatherings.

I think it's an absurd hyperbole, myself.

Re: Messaging and chat control

#10
Assuming this is correct (I only followed a couple of links, but it would be the EU planning to mandate content scan for CSAM on all e-mail and messaging platforms, after making it legal/optional already to do so earlier this year), I guess this answer the question of why Apple released their tech.

While it made little sense on iCloud Photos, they can add the exact same client-side scanning to iMessage and keep it (mostly) e2ee.

Certainly not judging the merits of this, such mandates would be the end of e2ee via third party companies (there seems to have been a concerted worldwide effort around that), but at the very least, I can see the impetus from Apple's point of view to release this right now.

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