1password needs to admit they screwed up by trying to force their customers into migrating to their cloud product. 1password needs to provide a first class service option to customers that want nothing to do with the 1password cloud.
1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults
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Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults
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I agree to the payment. I disagree to the subscription model. I absolutely would try to hook users on any SaaS. However, I go out of my way to avoid such products. If I can pay for them once, I much prefer it. (For something like jetbrains, I'm okay with a renewal fee because if I choose not to pay it, I can still use the older version.) I make an exception for Bitwarden because I like the idea of my password manager…
You know, I bought 1Password version 3 licence. There’s the support. Fast forward some time and the software started recommending that I uograde to version 4. After installing it, the software told me that it requires subscription from here on. It was almost impossible to roll back to version 3. I ended up switching to Unix pass.
Similar story here. Slowly moved over to Bitwarden. UX almost as good and works well enough on all platforms. Chose Bitwarden for the company afterwards as well, only positive feedback.
Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults
#203They made the standalone license almost impossible to find and get, forced a subscription on users, and made the password vault storage online for the subscriptions. Now this self-hosting survey comes as a surprise, and it would be of some relief if/when it’s implemented. I do wonder how the licensing and pricing will be handled though. Bitwarden officially allows self-hosting for the personal use tiers, but it seems…
I would consider Bitwarden if it synced via iCloud with my phone. Relying on any other service would be a step back for me.
For me its the opposite: Having Bitwarden separate (selfhosted or even their hosting) let's me even more iCloud services to become less reliant on Apple.
Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults
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Are you saying there is as standalone version of 1Password 7? Does it support vault sync via iCloud?
GP here. Yes, there is a standalone version, but you'd have to know specific incantations and rituals to find out how and where to get it. It's purposely hidden away from the homepage and other pages about the product and pricing.
Exactly. I moved away from 1Password for that reason, quite happy with Bitwarden.
Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults
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Thanks for the warning about this. I was already disappointed in the direction 1Password has been taking, and moving to Electron would certainly be the last straw. It’s totally reasonable that they want to cheap out on the actual software and expand their business into more lucrative services, but it’s not what I personally want in a password manager. So hopefully someone else, maybe a lone develop that doesn’t need…
Your focus on password manager is off. > maybe a lone develop that doesn’t need perpetual growth, will make a good, standalone, native Mac password manager. How do you trust this lone developer? Password manager is all about security and having a motivation to chase money has more trust than someone seemingly doing it voluntarily. And electron app, not sure why people still complain in 2021... unless you're machine i…
I moved away from LastPass to 1Password as LastPass changed their app to Electron and it was immediately slower and less usable. On a 32GB RAM machine. But just things like resizing the window were worse. Not always true for Electron, but it made me change in this case.
Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults
#206They made the standalone license almost impossible to find and get, forced a subscription on users, and made the password vault storage online for the subscriptions. Now this self-hosting survey comes as a surprise, and it would be of some relief if/when it’s implemented. I do wonder how the licensing and pricing will be handled though. Bitwarden officially allows self-hosting for the personal use tiers, but it seems…
You can self-host vaultwarden (formerly bitwarden_rs), which gives full enterprise functionality.
You can indeed, but only if you accept what follows. You will be in charge of maintaining critical infrastructure, as well as keeping it safe from attackers.
My biggest complaint about the 1Password8 situation is that i've been "self hosting" version 7 for years using iCloud sync, and it has worked perfectly. I have my 1Password vault on every device for "free". With family sharing in iTunes, i had it for every family member for "free" as well.
With version 8 they're taking that away, and instead trying to push me to a $5/month subscription that essentially does the same thing.
I have faithfully purchased every version up until now, and had they kept local vaults/iCloud sync i would have purchased the next one as well. As it is now, self-hosted or not, i will be looking for something else. Afterall, all i really need is an encrypted file on a cloud share.
Unix Pass would be great if it didn't leak information about which sites you have logins for. "Easily" fixable by using Pass Tomb, but sadly that's not available on iOS.
Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults
#207They made the standalone license almost impossible to find and get, forced a subscription on users, and made the password vault storage online for the subscriptions. Now this self-hosting survey comes as a surprise, and it would be of some relief if/when it’s implemented. I do wonder how the licensing and pricing will be handled though. Bitwarden officially allows self-hosting for the personal use tiers, but it seems…
I would consider Bitwarden if it synced via iCloud with my phone. Relying on any other service would be a step back for me.
I'm in the same boat.
I don't want to selfhost anything. I've spend enough years doing that. All i really need is an encrypted file that can be synchronized using a cloud of my choice.
Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults
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Thanks for the warning about this. I was already disappointed in the direction 1Password has been taking, and moving to Electron would certainly be the last straw. It’s totally reasonable that they want to cheap out on the actual software and expand their business into more lucrative services, but it’s not what I personally want in a password manager. So hopefully someone else, maybe a lone develop that doesn’t need…
> So hopefully someone else, maybe a lone develop that doesn’t need perpetual growth, will make a good, standalone, native Mac password manager. You may wish to look into Secrets: https://outercorner.com/secrets-mac/
Thank you so much for this recommendation! This looks like exactly what I hoped existed, basically 1Password without all of the striving to be more than an app. Also, I already have a SetApp subscription so the desktop version is effectively free.
Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults
#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thanks for the warning about this. I was already disappointed in the direction 1Password has been taking, and moving to Electron would certainly be the last straw. It’s totally reasonable that they want to cheap out on the actual software and expand their business into more lucrative services, but it’s not what I personally want in a password manager. So hopefully someone else, maybe a lone develop that doesn’t need…
> So hopefully someone else, maybe a lone develop that doesn’t need perpetual growth, will make a good, standalone, native Mac password manager. You may wish to look into Secrets: https://outercorner.com/secrets-mac/
I wasn't aware of Secrets. I will certainly look into it.
It appears to check all the boxes that 1Password used to check.
Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults
#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thanks for the warning about this. I was already disappointed in the direction 1Password has been taking, and moving to Electron would certainly be the last straw. It’s totally reasonable that they want to cheap out on the actual software and expand their business into more lucrative services, but it’s not what I personally want in a password manager. So hopefully someone else, maybe a lone develop that doesn’t need…
Looks like you’re looking for a reason but none of that was announced or even hinted as happening on macOS. They have one of the best Mac native app, I doubt it’s part of their plan.
Before this thread, I never considered they might deprecate the native app, but there seemed to be a lot of premonition here that it’s on the horizon.
I wasn’t actively looking to find a replacement, but I was certainly not happy to see them taking venture funding. That’s great in some contexts, but explicit pressure to grow revenue enough to support 500 people and pay back a bunch of venture capitalists isn’t very conducive to writing quality software.