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Big Tech are supposed to be the plumbers, not patricians of internet discourse

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Re: Big Tech are supposed to be the plumbers, not patricians of internet discourse

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All evidence shows it to be the other way around, the vaccinated are far more dangerous to the unvaccinated than vice versa, it isn't even close. Leaky vaccines create more virulent and deadlier viruses in the unvaccinated.

This is incorrect. A vaccine is not an antibiotic; the presence of one does not cause virulent strains. Vaccinations trigger the body's immune response to the virus; nothing else. They provide for a more effective response faster, but do not otherwise provide any forcing function. Mutations and variants occur all the time as the virus reproduces. Variants are not a response to any vaccine; they have appeared primaril…

I think it's too soon to say yet if the vaccines encourage mutation. But my understanding is quite a few of the significant variants come from places where there was significant vaccine testing: - Brazil (Gamma) - South Africa (Beta) - India (Delta) - Alpha (UK)

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There is objective truth. Trump did not win the last election if you look at it in the right light. The absolute truth is, he lost. That isn’t misinformation. That can be applied to a myriad of other things. The earth is not flat. The vaccine does not contain microchips. Masks do prevent the spread of airborne disease. Jan 6th was an insurrection by the Republicans and not a tourist trip.

That last one is a choice of descriptive words, not an objective truth. Personally, my bar for 'insurrection' involves at least one gunshot. You can differ! But it's not objective.

Insurrection defined:

a violent uprising against an authority or government.

They violently forced their way into our capital with the idea of intimidating the government to prevent them from handling the lawful business succession insofar as counting and acknowledging the lawfully cast electoral votes.

This isn't subjective its the simple literal dictionary definition of the word.

Re: Big Tech are supposed to be the plumbers, not patricians of internet discourse

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Why? The media companies have always done so. The press is and always was "patricians" of printing press discourse. You can't say whatever you like on a news paper. The TV companies and Cable companies are and always were "patricians" of tv programming. You can't say whatever you like on a tv program. The publishing companies are and always were "patricians" of the books. You can't say whatever you like on a book and get them to print it, promote it and distribute if they disagree. Radio companies are and always were "patricians" of the radio waves, you need a license to operate a radio and they decide what gets on air.

Why the double standard?

Now, you can say whatever you like on the internet, you just are not entitle to force other people and companies to give you a platform to do so. Facebook, Youtube, this site, etc., doesn't owe you sh#t. If you want to publish something that they don't like, host it and promote it yourself, just as if you want to put something in the news that they don't like, or on TV or on the radio or on a book.

The insane and childish authoritarianism of the author of this article that believes that "Mail Chimp" doesn't tell him what to do with their service but instead he is the one that tells them how to run their private for profit company is both comical and sad. If you don't like the terms of service, stop using their service. That's how that works. If you think that they are infringing on your rights, them take them to court, don't click bait about it.

Re: Big Tech are supposed to be the plumbers, not patricians of internet discourse

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Isn’t this just a consequence of American capitalism? Incentivise companies to optimize for profit, and they’ll do anything to rake in more ad money including violating people’s privacy and curating user-submitted content. We’ll have to fundamentally rethink entire economies before we could see large companies (if they would be, at all, allowed to exist) acting ethically.

Re: Big Tech are supposed to be the plumbers, not patricians of internet discourse

#225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All evidence shows it to be the other way around, the vaccinated are far more dangerous to the unvaccinated than vice versa, it isn't even close. Leaky vaccines create more virulent and deadlier viruses in the unvaccinated.

This is incorrect. A vaccine is not an antibiotic; the presence of one does not cause virulent strains. Vaccinations trigger the body's immune response to the virus; nothing else. They provide for a more effective response faster, but do not otherwise provide any forcing function. Mutations and variants occur all the time as the virus reproduces. Variants are not a response to any vaccine; they have appeared primaril…

The general theory is that a virus avoids evolving in a way that is too dangerous to its host because the sooner the host dies the less potential the virus has to spread. As the vaccinated have a weaker response to the virus there is no longer as strong evolutionary pressure against the virus becoming more lethal.

A real life/modern example of this can be found in Marek's disease in chickens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek%27s_disease#Prevention

The counter claim seems to be that because vaccination reduces the abundance of the virus there is a lower chance of mutations. It's hard to say which effect is stronger and it probably varies greatly by virus and by vaccine!

Disclaimer: I'm not an expert, just an armchair enthusiast.

Re: Big Tech are supposed to be the plumbers, not patricians of internet discourse

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Most of what you say is correct, but saying absolutely that unvaccinated people are endangering other people and vaccinated people are not is also false.

Making an irrelevant but true statement about vaccinated people doesn't make the antivaxx stance correct. Similar manner to drink driving, sober people can also hurt others when driving. This is about where we draw the line. When it comes to drink driving and antivaxxers they both endanger others to an unacceptably high level.

Don't get me started on how I'm a better driver when tipsy than the average 80 year old that still has their license...

The tongue in cheek point I'm trying to make is that too much of the conversation focuses on relative risk. Relative risk obsession has people not taking more risky, but still incredibly safe (at least in the short term) vaccines here in Australia. Absolute risk (or its delta) tends to be a much more salient number to the victim.

It does help the antivaxx crowd in some circuitous arguments however, as the chance of an unvaccinated person killing a vaccinated person is low if vaccines work!

Re: Big Tech are supposed to be the plumbers, not patricians of internet discourse

#228

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Most of what you say is correct, but saying absolutely that unvaccinated people are endangering other people and vaccinated people are not is also false.

Making an irrelevant but true statement about vaccinated people doesn't make the antivaxx stance correct. Similar manner to drink driving, sober people can also hurt others when driving. This is about where we draw the line. When it comes to drink driving and antivaxxers they both endanger others to an unacceptably high level.

You cannot say that unvaccinated people endanger others to an unacceptably high level when we don't even know what that level is!

Also, calling people unvaccinated agency COVID anti-vaxxers, when most are not, is likely to lead to some becoming that.

Re: Big Tech are supposed to be the plumbers, not patricians of internet discourse

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OK, but, we already have social/legal/cultural norms for deciding what thoughts are bad and what thoughts are good. Here are some things I can't do via Mailchimp for either legal or cultural reasons (see also https://mailchimp.com/legal/acceptable_use/ ): - Advertise pornography - Plan attacks against the United States government - Advertise medical cures that the government doesn't approve of - Sell counterfeit prod…

Other than advertising (legal) pornography, all of those are actual violations of the law , at least in the United States. Clearly MailChimp (or any other service) can't knowingly allow their platform to be used to violate the law, or they would be held accountable.

> Advertise medical cures that the government doesn't approve of

There is nothing wrong with advertising the truth that certain medical treatments exist which are not government approved in the US, or, legal in the US, but are defintely viable, and are actively used in other parts of the world, or, could be by physicians for off-label use.

domperidone [1] is a drug that is used for a few indications overseas. There is an active discussion around it on a number of social media sites, but the FDA warns against importing it, for violating an FDA Act. It is possible to get an exception for one indication in the US, potentially...... But, many women want it because it helps with lactation, and for a woman with a hungry infant, this is a big issue. You get a screaming baby that wants 8 oz more of milk a day, and lemme tell you, can't negotiate with a screaming baby! Off Label uses of medications also, is common among Physicians. Viagra is one drug that has a number of utilities in off-label use.

BigTech squelching the conversation around Domperidone is fairly similar to BigTech squelching the standard COVID treatment protocols [2], from Zelenko [3] & McCullough [4], which will likely become standard of care fairly shortly, and are now in evidence on CDC websites too [5], but significantly trailing the most updated protocols. But they don't squelch Domperidone talk, and the reason is simple. Pushing vaxxes are a big priority for the govt, while going after the discussion of secrets for increasing breastmilk outputs would probably be bad optics.

> actual violations of the law, at least in the United States.

Covid protocols have nothing to do with actual violations of Law, and, they will be standard of care shortly, as the CDC website writing [5] is on the wall.

[1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30000430/

[2] https://www.wired.com/story/stop-ignoring-the-evidence-on-co...

[3] https://vladimirzelenkomd.com/zelenko-prophylaxis-protocol/

[4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAHi3lX3oGM

[5] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/clinical-guida...

Re: Big Tech are supposed to be the plumbers, not patricians of internet discourse

#230

Not sure if there's a more eloquent name for these kinds of "throw enough shit and hope some of it sticks" arguments but the article is very confused, from claiming ad hominem attacks are as bad as racism, to ranting about millenials and throwing in WMD's in Iraq for good measure. The actual key issue is somewhere in the middle of that article: > "When tech companies take it upon themselves to arbitrate what is or is…

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