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California's Dixie Fire Is Now the 2nd Largest in State History

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hokumguru wrote: post #7
okareaman wrote: post #3

At least we saw it coming and made some preparations. I think climate change is a massive problem but we can't put it all on climate change because droughts are part of California history and we can put some of the blame on forest management practices. 100 million dead trees in the Sierra are a massive risk for unpredictable wildfires https://news.berkeley.edu/2018/01/18/sierra-wildfire-risk/ Fire Suppression — And C…

I remember how it was a huge deal for weeks when our former president said something along these lines but to a large extent the administration was correct. I hate the fact that these changes to forestry management are going to be delayed or shot down just because of partisan bullshit. I’d say we’re better than this but I’m not quite sure nowadays.

The former president was very inarticulate about it, which I'd say was the problem. He told us California residents that we needed to sweep our forests and didn't acknowledge that the majority of the public forests were the responsibility of the Federal Govt. A more knowledgeable Republican president could have made a better case that wouldn't get ridiculed.

Trump blames California for wildfires, tells state 'you gotta clean your floors'

https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/08/20/...

Trump's suggestions have prompted head-scratching from experts who say his prescriptions — more raking, less water released into the ocean for environmental purposes — suggest he does not understand the science of wildfires. Critics also point out that most of California’s wildlands are federally managed.

Re: California's Dixie Fire Is Now the 2nd Largest in State History

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Post by davidw »

SnowProblem wrote: post #6

California has by far the most number of wildfires and most acres burned each year compared to other states, no matter your measure. States can sue one another over water rights if one state is polluting water upstream to another state. Is a similar right available for air rights? It seems unfair that Nevada, Idaho, Colorado and Montana have to suffer from California’s mismanagement and lack of prevention, and perhap…

Most of the land burning is federal land: Forest Service and BLM, for instance.

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Post by SnowProblem »

davidw wrote: post #12
SnowProblem wrote: post #6

California has by far the most number of wildfires and most acres burned each year compared to other states, no matter your measure. States can sue one another over water rights if one state is polluting water upstream to another state. Is a similar right available for air rights? It seems unfair that Nevada, Idaho, Colorado and Montana have to suffer from California’s mismanagement and lack of prevention, and perhap…

Most of the land burning is federal land: Forest Service and BLM, for instance.

Does California not have a role there? Or perhaps the suit should be against the federal government then, or both, but something needs to change. It doesn’t have to be this way.

Re: California's Dixie Fire Is Now the 2nd Largest in State History

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Post by beanjuice »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #17

Is this a process of California desertifying? That is, we will have a period of fires and then a new equilibrium? Or will California keep burning, healing, and then burning again?

Along this thread, I would be curious to know if there is statistics available for how many acres of forest grow per year, versus how many acres are burned?

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Post by slapfrog »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #17

Is this a process of California desertifying? That is, we will have a period of fires and then a new equilibrium? Or will California keep burning, healing, and then burning again?

> Paleoclimatological studies indicate that the last 150 years of California's history have been unusually wet compared to the previous 2000 years. Tree stumps found at the bottom of lakes and rivers in California indicate that many water features dried up during historical dry periods, allowing trees to grow there while the water was absent. These dry periods were associated with warm periods in Earth's history. During the Medieval Warm Period, there were at least two century-long megadroughts with only 60-70% of modern precipitation levels. Paleoclimatologists believe that higher temperatures due to global warming may cause California to enter another dry period, with significantly lower precipitation and snowpack levels than observed over the last 150 years.[7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_in_California

Re: California's Dixie Fire Is Now the 2nd Largest in State History

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Post by rcurry »

okareaman wrote: post #11
hokumguru wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember how it was a huge deal for weeks when our former president said something along these lines but to a large extent the administration was correct. I hate the fact that these changes to forestry management are going to be delayed or shot down just because of partisan bullshit. I’d say we’re better than this but I’m not quite sure nowadays.

The former president was very inarticulate about it, which I'd say was the problem. He told us California residents that we needed to sweep our forests and didn't acknowledge that the majority of the public forests were the responsibility of the Federal Govt. A more knowledgeable Republican president could have made a better case that wouldn't get ridiculed. Trump blames California for wildfires, tells state 'you got…

Okay, now that he’s gone who do we pin the blame on?
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