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Tortured phrases: A dubious writing style emerging in science

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Re: Tortured phrases: A dubious writing style emerging in science

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I have encountered something similar to this for a submission that I reviewed for a scientific journal. I will not list any names or give much detail past those generalities, but I pointed out that the authors were misusing a particular technical term. In my review I defined the term and explained it briefly. I asked the authors to revise their submission accordingly. The paper was not bad but the authors did not kno…

In your review, did you suggest the definition and explanation that they used? In this situation, would have an acknowledgment at the end have been enough? In my mind, it seems like you all had a conversation and the authors took up your suggestions as the reviewer.

No, I did not suggest the definition and explanation as content for them to use. I was trying to explain a concept that they discussed incorrectly multiple times in the paper. It is an advanced concept that might not even appear in graduate-level courses on the subject, so I can understand why they did not understand it fully. That said, I did not give them permission to copy my words there. If there are any particular changes I want the authors to do I put them in quotes. This wasn't in quotes. It was an explanation for their own benefit so that they can correct the mistakes in the paper (by re-writing it).

Once I re-read the submission I wanted to reject it immediately, but I realized that I should get a second opinion first. So I contacted the editors, who agreed that it was blatant plagiarism. Hence, they rejected the paper once I recommended rejection in my second review. So this wasn't just a conversation where I made some suggestions and the authors used them. Even the editors thought it was plagiarism once they looked at it.

An acknowledgment would be impossible because the review was single-blind. The reviewers knew the identities of the authors but not the other way around. What the authors should have done was just re-phrase where they used the term in the paper. They didn't even need to copy my explanation, to be frank. The paper would worked fine without the paragraph they copied. If they just re-phrased the relevant parts no other changes would have been needed and this whole thing could have been avoided.

Re: Tortured phrases: A dubious writing style emerging in science

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> Master's thesis I don't doubt this at all, and I have no doubt that GPT-3 with a bit of human editing can spit out something better than the lower third of masters students at corn row colleges. Masters degrees are cash cows, which is why no one in unregulated industries cares about them. People in regulated/unionized industries also don't actually care; even educators, who at least nominally see intrinsic value in…

> Masters degrees are cash cows, which is why no one in unregulated industries cares about them. So, uh, is Business Administration a regulated industry?

No one cares about MBAs. The networks can be helpful, but, unlike JDs/PhamDs/etc., an MBA from a no-name college & weak alumni network isn't worth the paper isn't printed on.

Re: Tortured phrases: A dubious writing style emerging in science

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Master's thesis I don't doubt this at all, and I have no doubt that GPT-3 with a bit of human editing can spit out something better than the lower third of masters students at corn row colleges. Masters degrees are cash cows, which is why no one in unregulated industries cares about them. People in regulated/unionized industries also don't actually care; even educators, who at least nominally see intrinsic value in…

> Masters degrees are cash cows, which is why no one in unregulated industries cares about them. People in regulated/unionized industries also don't actually care... People don't care about masters degrees engineering, law, business, art, etc. etc.? Try applying for many jobs without one, or with one from lower-ranking colleges. The Chronicle of Higher Education article recently on the HN front page said that masters…

Engineering and CS masters are 100% cash cows that no one cares about. I promise you.

I haven't even heard of a Masters in Law (law degrees are doctorates), but I can't imagine it's worth the paper it's printed on.

MBAs are worthless unless they're from a few good places, and even then the brand and networking does a lot of the lifting.

Re: Tortured phrases: A dubious writing style emerging in science

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I often wonder while reading an academic paper how the writing could be as hopelessly bad as it is. This type of manipulation and plagiarism may be partially to blame, but the academic writing style has also gone completely off the rails to the point that half the journal articles being published today read as if written by some kind of paper writing AI robot even when I am quite certain that that isn't the case. And…

"There is also the possibility that there are just a lot of terrible writers out there. "

Surely they are and writing in a way that is easy to read and understand is an art in itself.

But I would agree, that the main reason is probably the intention to sound smarter, than they are. Whole scientific disciplines seem to live by that standard.

This is not limited to science though, I recall a german poet (I think Heinrich Heine) said about his fellow poets:

You only fly so high like the swallow, that no one can actually hear your singing.

Re: Tortured phrases: A dubious writing style emerging in science

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Master's thesis I don't doubt this at all, and I have no doubt that GPT-3 with a bit of human editing can spit out something better than the lower third of masters students at corn row colleges. Masters degrees are cash cows, which is why no one in unregulated industries cares about them. People in regulated/unionized industries also don't actually care; even educators, who at least nominally see intrinsic value in…

> ... masters students at corn row colleges. First time I've heard the term "corn row colleges". Google's not bringing up anything that looks relevant. I suggest picking something else. Given that "cornrows" are a predominantly black hairstyle, the term reads like a racial slur.

The name originates as a perforative for small tuition-dependent non-research teaching colleges. Those colleges mostly catered to pastors, teachers, etc. and were located in small towns. The historical reasons that these institutions are now "in the corn fields" provides an interesting topic for historical inquiry. Perhaps many are in old rail-road or factory towns that have since languished, but schools that were similar at time of founding and didn't die are in industrial and post-industrial hubs where they attracting the attention needed to thrive. Who knows. The point is that they are small, inconsequential institutions that are predominately located in rural and semi-rural towns.'

The name now includes small state schools -- usually branch campuses with lower enrollment and no major (R1) research output.

(NB: corn row colleges are also by definition non-elite, so small liberal arts colleges with billion dollar endowments which might otherwise count, don't).

Many such institutions have since started offering graduate (or at least non-bachelors) degrees and certificates that are somehow even more worthless than their undergraduate programs.

Apparently the name has a lot of different meanings these days -- see sibling comments -- but it has DEFINITELY never been meant as a racial pejorative. If anything, exactly the opposite, since most of those "crap-tier midwestern/southern colleges" cater to 99.99% WASP social networks (the P is even explicit).

Re: Tortured phrases: A dubious writing style emerging in science

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really doubt you can computer generate a Master's thesis. Completing a Master's thesis at an accredited institution is a heck of a lot of work and even a cursory reading of a thesis by an examiner, supervisor, opponent, or other interested party would give the generated content away. Maybe if you get your degree from a diploma mill you could get away with it, but then your degree wouldn't be worth toilet paper anyw…

I agree that in most cases it would be very difficult to do. But I can imagine some specific circumstances where it could be pulled off, possibly with some manual modifications: soft sciences like sociology (you can't imagine the amount of bs I've read during my college years), the subject matter being very different from the area your supervising prof specializes in, the topic that allows for arbitrary speculation,…

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Re: Tortured phrases: A dubious writing style emerging in science

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I often wonder while reading an academic paper how the writing could be as hopelessly bad as it is. This type of manipulation and plagiarism may be partially to blame, but the academic writing style has also gone completely off the rails to the point that half the journal articles being published today read as if written by some kind of paper writing AI robot even when I am quite certain that that isn't the case. And…

I am sure this was not your intention or meaning, but please be aware that it is virtually impossible for a non-native speaker to write perfect English. English is a language you have to intuit. In contrast to other languages, it has very few fixed rules. Writing elegantly in English is most certainly an art form. Of course, writing good science is hard enough for native speakers. It is very difficult for the vast ma…

I think you missed this part of the comment to which you were replying:

> And no, I am not talking about cases where the author is writing in a non-native language.

Re: Tortured phrases: A dubious writing style emerging in science

#149
I'm very tempted to introduce tortured phrases at work for occasional humor. For example, who needs "continuous integration" when you have "ceaseless incorporation"? Sometimes it's nice to see if anyone reads my notes.

In all seriousness though, I've experienced something similar before at a Japanese run American corporation as far back as the 90's. The problem was Japanese executives and executive assistants who didn't know American tech-jargon often resulted in accepting mangled suggestions by the spell-checker. A notorious example was the "Data Whorehousing" presentation, which somehow made it through several reviews and rehearsals before being presented to the entire American IT department at an all-hands meeting.

Clearly this made an impact as I remember it 23(ish) years later!

Re: Tortured phrases: A dubious writing style emerging in science

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Some of these tortured phrases are great. My favourites: "flag to clamor" for signal to noise "individual computerized collaborator" for PDA (personal digital assistant) "haze figuring" for cloud computing "information stockroom" for data warehouse "focal preparing unit" for CPU "discourse acknowledgement" for voice recognition "mean square blunder" for MSE (mean square error) "arbitrary right of passage" for random…

Reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyV_UG60dD4
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