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Re: 30 years on from introducing the Web to the World

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Post by mattl »

pwdisswordfish0 wrote: post #56
mattl wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/Weaving/ It’s not great

That's very obviously not a URL for the book. That's a URL for a promo site, i.e., one of the things explicitly listed as something not to reply with, since it's not an answer to the question being asked. " Specifically asking here whether the book has a URL. " (Being a promo site, it is a place where we should expect the URL to be linked to, if it existed, but there is no such URL to be found on that page, hence the…

It’s the URL printed in the book.

Re: 30 years on from introducing the Web to the World

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Post by devchix »

I was looking for an old video of Tom Brokaw interviewing Gates and Schmidt, and found this. For a little laugh and innocent nostalgia: Flashback! The Internet In 1995

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95-yZ-31j9A

I watched that clip and my inner monologue was all "Oh my sweet summer child, what do you know of 'The Internet'? "

Re: 30 years on from introducing the Web to the World

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Post by hutzlibu »

codegeek wrote: post #22

"What happens in an Internet Minute in 2020, for example: - Zoom hosts 208,333 meetings - There are 404,444 Netflix user streams - YouTube users upload 500 hours of video - Consumers spend $1,000,000 online - 1,388,889 people make video/voice calls" Mind blowing if you think about it. I really want to focus on the positives of WWW in this thread. I, like million others, am making a living out of WWW and that itself i…

No pedantic comment complaining, that the internet is older and not the same as the WWW? Well, then I am doing it ...

So someone using youtube might be using the www, but is not when using the android app for example. Etc. blabla.

And yes, the WWW is awesome, even though the spec is a wild chaos.

Re: 30 years on from introducing the Web to the World

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Post by akudha »

codegeek wrote: post #22

"What happens in an Internet Minute in 2020, for example: - Zoom hosts 208,333 meetings - There are 404,444 Netflix user streams - YouTube users upload 500 hours of video - Consumers spend $1,000,000 online - 1,388,889 people make video/voice calls" Mind blowing if you think about it. I really want to focus on the positives of WWW in this thread. I, like million others, am making a living out of WWW and that itself i…

These are all eye popping numbers. Somehow the YouTube number is scarier than others. With that much content, how is anyone supposed to find what they are interested in? No wonder YouTube’s algorithm is so bad. Even google can’t do a good job of search and recommendation at YouTube

Re: 30 years on from introducing the Web to the World

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Post by Radim »

wott wrote: post #60
Radim wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Allow me to offer an opposing anecdote: smartphone means fuck all to me. It changed nearly nothing in my life. Most of the time I don't even know where my smartphone is (except for car navigation). Do people really consider smartphones "more impressive" / impactful than the World Wide Web?

> smartphone means fuck all to me. It changed nearly nothing in my life. Sure, that's the same to me, I don't even own one. But that's not how the majority feels and acts. And there's been another acceleration in the last 2-3 years, where more business and, worse, official administrative stuff is pushed on the smartphone (as mobile-first). One fresh anecdote. 2 hours ago, I watched the news, and the presenter was exp…

I guess you're right. TBH I didn't expect that offering my point of view would unleash such storm of downvotes.

Clearly many people consider their phone not only a useful device, but a core part of their identity. To each his own.

Re: 30 years on from introducing the Web to the World

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Post by codegeek »

anyfoo wrote: post #58
codegeek wrote: post #57

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It said "This machine is a server". Isn't that still true for any server ? I mean if you power off a server, it stops serving. I guess the what makes that note truly unique is that it was THE only server at that time ?

I guess it just means "even though this machine looks like a desktop computer (which it very much usually was as a NeXT station), it's actually acting as a server, so please don't shut it down like you would with a desktop machine". It by far wasn't the only "server" at that time. The WWW may be 30 years old, but the Internet is much older.

correct. I mean the only server for WWW ?

Re: 30 years on from introducing the Web to the World

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Post by Gradient-Ascent »

analog31 wrote: post #36

Amusing anecdote: The computer that hosted the original WWW is in a little museum at CERN, open to the public. When my family saw it several years ago, it still had a hand written note taped to the side of it, something to the effect of "Please don't turn this computer off." It still amuses me to think that at one point, the entire WWW depended on someone remembering to not shut it down. Edit: See below. Reality is m…

> still had a hand written note taped to the side of it, something to the effect of "Please don't turn this computer off."

You sound like "nobody has cleaned this piece of paper off [yet]" or "will be cleaned of soon". But it is the central piece of the exhibit, very intentionally. Probably written by TBL himself and illustrating a feature of the new invention: "The internet is always on"

And I heard of this before, that TBL developed the WWW on a (NEXT-)workstation, which also was the first www-server with a sticker on it that said "This machine is a server. DO NOT POWER DOWN!" (https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:This_Machine_is_a_...)

Re: 30 years on from introducing the Web to the World

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Post by analog31 »

codegeek wrote: post #66
anyfoo wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess it just means "even though this machine looks like a desktop computer (which it very much usually was as a NeXT station), it's actually acting as a server, so please don't shut it down like you would with a desktop machine". It by far wasn't the only "server" at that time. The WWW may be 30 years old, but the Internet is much older.

correct. I mean the only server for WWW ?

Yes, I believe it was. One machine had to be the first www server.

Re: 30 years on from introducing the Web to the World

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Post by Gibbon1 »

Radim wrote: post #14
laurent92 wrote: post #4

I’m more impressed that the first smartphone is only 14 years old and it has changed so much to our lives: - First, it developed the usage of superficial socialization (lifestyle show-off, body photos, up to lewd behaviors or prostitution, depression for a lot of people, massive societal dopamine addiction), - Second, Youtube was the world wild web of all politics and militant movements, - We’re in a third phase wher…

Allow me to offer an opposing anecdote: smartphone means fuck all to me. It changed nearly nothing in my life. Most of the time I don't even know where my smartphone is (except for car navigation). Do people really consider smartphones "more impressive" / impactful than the World Wide Web?

That computers don't seem to be correlated with productivity improvements is a thing. And also despite the huge valuations of tech companies, their secondary effects on the economy appear to become negative quickly.

That's very much unlike for instance GM in the 1950's. Where GM had a huge valuation. And spawned secondary businesses that themselves had large collective valuations.

Re: 30 years on from introducing the Web to the World

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Post by pwdisswordfish0 »

mattl wrote: post #61
pwdisswordfish0 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's very obviously not a URL for the book. That's a URL for a promo site, i.e., one of the things explicitly listed as something not to reply with, since it's not an answer to the question being asked. " Specifically asking here whether the book has a URL. " (Being a promo site, it is a place where we should expect the URL to be linked to, if it existed, but there is no such URL to be found on that page, hence the…

It’s the URL printed in the book.

Do you understand the relationship between questions and answers? You're answering a question no one asked. Why bother responding at all?
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