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Tortured phrases: A dubious writing style emerging in science

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Re: Tortured phrases: A dubious writing style emerging in science

#11

I've been seeing this in news articles as well. Swipe someone else's article, run it through a synonym-replacer algorithm, and have Reddit bots post it on a bunch of news subs. Presumably the thesaurus work fools Google's just-a-copy detector. It's the next step in clickbait monetization. Why settle for low-effort content when you can have no -effort content?

Thanks to advertising as a business model.

Re: Tortured phrases: A dubious writing style emerging in science

#12

Maybe a future direction would be to train new models to identify plagiarism by training on this information. Use „non matching backtranslations for training classifiers. It’s again the typical cat and mouse game I guess

Or someone could...read the papers.

Re: Tortured phrases: A dubious writing style emerging in science

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post #5

I wish they had kept the method secret. Getting these papers retracted is less valuable than being able to secretly keep tabs on them.

What would be cool is if they'd figured out two methods, and only published one.

Though if they've published a convenient list of the bad papers, then, assuming other markers exist, that makes it easy for others to discover them.

Re: Tortured phrases: A dubious writing style emerging in science

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post #9
post #5

I wish they had kept the method secret. Getting these papers retracted is less valuable than being able to secretly keep tabs on them.

If they are not retracted, they might get cited by other works which themselves might get cited. Suddenly this faked, nonexistent research has been "laundered" into mainstream and nobody knows anymore that there was a problem in the first place.

I’m wondering what happened to good old reading with comprehension. Ain’t nobody got no time for that? If so, doesn’t it make those papers worthless?

Re: Tortured phrases: A dubious writing style emerging in science

#16
post #3

Some people don't have English as their native language. When such people want to write a scientific article in English they will have to use someone who can write English but probably does not know much about the research. So of course there will be articles with "Tortured Phrases".

If you read the article the authors directly address this and use datasets of machine translated articles as controls.

Re: Tortured phrases: A dubious writing style emerging in science

#17

Maybe a future direction would be to train new models to identify plagiarism by training on this information. Use „non matching backtranslations for training classifiers. It’s again the typical cat and mouse game I guess

Or someone could...read the papers.

It's the classical problem of people trying to find technological solutions to social problems. If plagiarism and fake research is still a problem after we've applied technology to fight it, clearly we haven't applied enough of it.

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post #5

I wish they had kept the method secret. Getting these papers retracted is less valuable than being able to secretly keep tabs on them.

What would be cool is if they'd figured out two methods, and only published one. Though if they've published a convenient list of the bad papers, then, assuming other markers exist, that makes it easy for others to discover them.

Maybe they did.

Re: Tortured phrases: A dubious writing style emerging in science

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they are not retracted, they might get cited by other works which themselves might get cited. Suddenly this faked, nonexistent research has been "laundered" into mainstream and nobody knows anymore that there was a problem in the first place.

I’m wondering what happened to good old reading with comprehension. Ain’t nobody got no time for that? If so, doesn’t it make those papers worthless?

Nope. Time is the only non-fungible asset being burned here and everyone is desperately defending their own allotment.
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