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30 years on from introducing the Web to the World

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Re: 30 years on from introducing the Web to the World

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The WWW was pretty great at age 10, but took a wrong turn in its teen years. We now do signal amplification of the worst of humanity. The giants are walled gardens, and in another 10-15 years the "web" will be subsumed by Facebook, and Google's "Cromification/AMPlification" (content lives on their servers and there is no URL bar.) We've destroyed much of the quirkiness and novelty. Now instead of sharing content and…

The technology is just too tempting for totalitarians and tyrants of all degrees. It feels like humanity itself is in some sort of societal infancy.

Re: 30 years on from introducing the Web to the World

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Melancholy. So young but so old. Wandering without direction. Waking up. Will there be a spinoff? Something to bring meaning?

The previous Kondratiev cycles were: - Steam engine (1825) - Electrical engineering and chemistry (1913) - Automobile (1950) - Computers… and even that could be split between the database era (1980), the web era (2000), and the AI era (2030?). For each cycle, it starts like wild competition, and ends with installed actors. Who would think of being the small guy who topples Ford by reinventing automobile today? No-one…

Computers: scientific computing era (1950), business computing era (1960), personal computing era (1980), web era (1995), mobile computing era (2005), social networking era (2010), ML/AI era (2020)

Re: 30 years on from introducing the Web to the World

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I’m more impressed that the first smartphone is only 14 years old and it has changed so much to our lives: - First, it developed the usage of superficial socialization (lifestyle show-off, body photos, up to lewd behaviors or prostitution, depression for a lot of people, massive societal dopamine addiction), - Second, Youtube was the world wild web of all politics and militant movements, - We’re in a third phase wher…

That comparison - the smartphone being 14 and the web being 30 really illustrates what a total warp jump it has all been.

15 years from boxy home computers connected to each other, to glowing high resolution pocket computer slabs. And then 15 years from those slabs being something totally new and revolutionary, to literally 50%* of all humans having them on their person at all times.

The acceleration has definitely come with a lot of turbulence. If this acceleration is exponential, then what's next is a whole lot more turbulence.

(Edit:*originally wrote 80% - I thought it would be higher at this point!)

Re: 30 years on from introducing the Web to the World

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I’m more impressed that the first smartphone is only 14 years old and it has changed so much to our lives: - First, it developed the usage of superficial socialization (lifestyle show-off, body photos, up to lewd behaviors or prostitution, depression for a lot of people, massive societal dopamine addiction), - Second, Youtube was the world wild web of all politics and militant movements, - We’re in a third phase wher…

Allow me to offer an opposing anecdote: smartphone means fuck all to me. It changed nearly nothing in my life. Most of the time I don't even know where my smartphone is (except for car navigation).

Do people really consider smartphones "more impressive" / impactful than the World Wide Web?

Re: 30 years on from introducing the Web to the World

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I’m more impressed that the first smartphone is only 14 years old and it has changed so much to our lives: - First, it developed the usage of superficial socialization (lifestyle show-off, body photos, up to lewd behaviors or prostitution, depression for a lot of people, massive societal dopamine addiction), - Second, Youtube was the world wild web of all politics and militant movements, - We’re in a third phase wher…

It's sad you reduced smartphones to their negatives. I did distance myself from social media but here are things I frequently use my smartphone for:

- Long distance calls with Skype. It is possible to do a cheap long distance call in a foreign country by just buying some data credit. People can still reach you through your Skype number. Not possible with a feature phone.

- Browsing the internet while shopping. Sometimes I find a product that I'm suspicious of its quality. I just do a quick Google search. It's possible to do that with a more advanced feature phone but a smartphone usually have more screen estate.

- GPS/Maps. Big one for people living in big cities or while traveling.

- Payments, notes, quick photos, recording some calls, emails, etc...

There are more to smartphones than social revolutions, though I'm sure it played a certain role in shaping the opinion of people and transmitting the news.

And smartphones are out of reach for most governments, and only an AI powered thing can control it (there is just too many users to read all their messages) which won't likely work in the short-term/present or will be irrelevant in the future.

With the further democratization of tech, I wouldn't worry much about control. The area where government have the most control is currency and tariffs (control import/export goods). If they failed to curb crypto-currencies, they have little chance with texts/news.

Re: 30 years on from introducing the Web to the World

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I’m more impressed that the first smartphone is only 14 years old and it has changed so much to our lives: - First, it developed the usage of superficial socialization (lifestyle show-off, body photos, up to lewd behaviors or prostitution, depression for a lot of people, massive societal dopamine addiction), - Second, Youtube was the world wild web of all politics and militant movements, - We’re in a third phase wher…

I wonder about correlation vs causation. Before the internet existed, many people recognized that America was a declining empire. Advisors to presidents recommended bad courses of action - like aligning ourselves with the rising empire of China - which have only accelerated the decline. The internet is the reflecting pool that shows us what our age of decadence / Weimar republic / kali yuga looks like.

Re: 30 years on from introducing the Web to the World

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A guy I went to college with was there for the birth of the web. I remember him coming back that Fall, and him showing me, on one of our campus NeXTs, this new "World Wide Web" thing. "Cool, I guess. It's like Hypercard," I said, "but not as capable — but it is networked...so how is this better than Gopher? What's the use case?" "Just wait," he replied, "you can't build on Gopher like you can on this." Times changed quickly.

Re: 30 years on from introducing the Web to the World

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I remember the first time someone fired up Mosaic on a Sun workstation at work. At first the only pages were alma mater pages because no one had an IT department that knew how to set up a webserver yet. It didn't really dawn on me until people started putting up lyric pages for bands, and the speed at which you could access the data via links. I had been using FTP (and archie and gopher) up to that point, which involved a lot of typing and taking notes, and hyperlinks/bookmarks were light-years easier. That was the lightbulb for me.

Re: 30 years on from introducing the Web to the World

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post #7

The WWW was pretty great at age 10, but took a wrong turn in its teen years. We now do signal amplification of the worst of humanity. The giants are walled gardens, and in another 10-15 years the "web" will be subsumed by Facebook, and Google's "Cromification/AMPlification" (content lives on their servers and there is no URL bar.) We've destroyed much of the quirkiness and novelty. Now instead of sharing content and…

> The WWW was pretty great [...] We now do signal amplification of the worst of humanity

Aren't non-Web ("anti-Web"?) platforms the greatest driver of this?

You mention IRC and bittorrent. Nothing really Web about those, either.

Are you thinking of WWW and The Internet as being interchangeable terms?

Isn't this just a generic and vague luddite-doomer rant?

Re: 30 years on from introducing the Web to the World

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post #10

It's great that the web is so durable and long-lived, but I wonder about the health of it - it's got so complicated that we're down to only three implementations (Firefox, Chromium, WebKit), no realistic possibility of a new engine emerging, and essentially one implementation defining the standard. I wonder where we'll be in another 30 years?

This is the greatest crime against the web, IMO.

The growing complexity for the past decade has been driven almost entirely by Google. I'm now pretty convinced they did it as a part of an explicit strategy.

It's so insidious - on the one hand they are improving the web, on the other hand, the complexity they are driving makes the web more vulnerable.

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