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Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults

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Post by paulryanrogers »

Terretta wrote: post #83
AnonC wrote: post #13

They made the standalone license almost impossible to find and get, forced a subscription on users, and made the password vault storage online for the subscriptions. Now this self-hosting survey comes as a surprise, and it would be of some relief if/when it’s implemented. I do wonder how the licensing and pricing will be handled though. Bitwarden officially allows self-hosting for the personal use tiers, but it seems…

> Is there any password management application out there that makes sharing passwords or password vaults easy but is also free? For members of a relatively well-paid profession earning good wages from creating software, I wonder if the reluctance to support others earning money for quality work isn’t some form of cognitive dissonance. // Pre-emptive “edit” before this comment has replies: Folks post a lot of argument…

My guess is it's over confidence, at least in my case. Often I feel like "I could do that!" Now having tried a few times I'm more willing to pay for tools, especially non-subscription ones.

Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults

#92

Post by colordrops »

AnonC wrote: post #13

They made the standalone license almost impossible to find and get, forced a subscription on users, and made the password vault storage online for the subscriptions. Now this self-hosting survey comes as a surprise, and it would be of some relief if/when it’s implemented. I do wonder how the licensing and pricing will be handled though. Bitwarden officially allows self-hosting for the personal use tiers, but it seems…

I thought Bitwarden is open source. Is it not a standard license? Can you not fork it and change its behavior?

Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults

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Post by bleachedsleet »

yreg wrote: post #69
geerlingguy wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm on 1Password 7 and am syncing my local vault through Dropbox. I don't pay any subscription...

How did you do that? Did you port license from an older 1Password, or is there some way to buy 1Password 7?

Not the parent poster, but this can be done from inside the app. They hid the link, but the purchase flow is still available from inside 1Password.

Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults

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Post by Terretta »

kenneth wrote: post #58

I've been self hosting 1Password for about a decade without any issues. There's always been a way around the subscription stuff. I honestly don't mind paying the subscription pricing, just didn't like the idea of storing my passwords on their service with everyone else's.

You don’t like the idea of storing opaque bits along with everyone else’s equally opaque bits?

So long as the secret key to these bits is yours, not theirs, what’s the catch?

Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults

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Post by ebiester »

Terretta wrote: post #83
AnonC wrote: post #13

They made the standalone license almost impossible to find and get, forced a subscription on users, and made the password vault storage online for the subscriptions. Now this self-hosting survey comes as a surprise, and it would be of some relief if/when it’s implemented. I do wonder how the licensing and pricing will be handled though. Bitwarden officially allows self-hosting for the personal use tiers, but it seems…

> Is there any password management application out there that makes sharing passwords or password vaults easy but is also free? For members of a relatively well-paid profession earning good wages from creating software, I wonder if the reluctance to support others earning money for quality work isn’t some form of cognitive dissonance. // Pre-emptive “edit” before this comment has replies: Folks post a lot of argument…

I agree to the payment. I disagree to the subscription model.

I absolutely would try to hook users on any SaaS. However, I go out of my way to avoid such products. If I can pay for them once, I much prefer it. (For something like jetbrains, I'm okay with a renewal fee because if I choose not to pay it, I can still use the older version.)

I make an exception for Bitwarden because I like the idea of my password manager having continual security updates. However, it's one of the most frustrating parts of the webification of services - I want to pay for things once, and choose if I want the expanded features at any given time.

Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults

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Post by nucleardog »

colordrops wrote: post #92
AnonC wrote: post #13

They made the standalone license almost impossible to find and get, forced a subscription on users, and made the password vault storage online for the subscriptions. Now this self-hosting survey comes as a surprise, and it would be of some relief if/when it’s implemented. I do wonder how the licensing and pricing will be handled though. Bitwarden officially allows self-hosting for the personal use tiers, but it seems…

I thought Bitwarden is open source. Is it not a standard license? Can you not fork it and change its behavior?

Yes.

The license check is relatively easy to bypass, and there are also forks and reimplementations out there that already do so.

Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults

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Post by paulryanrogers »

dawnerd wrote: post #65
notafraudster wrote: post #64

I used 1password for about ten years. Every interaction I had with the developers was pretty hostile. Even if they encouraged self-hosting and version-based upgrading instead of a SaaS, I'd still stick with a competitor. At this point I'm irrationally bothered by the fact that it's a 100+ staff company just to make a product that's no better than it was when they had 10 staff and is now more expensive.

Just to add another data point, I’ve been with them since almost day one and every interaction I’ve had has been very nice. They even got my data out of a backup when something weird happened when switching from a business to family plan. (I might be a weird edge case since my account shows as both family and business a custom domain).

If they can get your data out then do they have access to your keys?

Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults

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Post by donmcronald »

Terretta wrote: post #83
AnonC wrote: post #13

They made the standalone license almost impossible to find and get, forced a subscription on users, and made the password vault storage online for the subscriptions. Now this self-hosting survey comes as a surprise, and it would be of some relief if/when it’s implemented. I do wonder how the licensing and pricing will be handled though. Bitwarden officially allows self-hosting for the personal use tiers, but it seems…

> Is there any password management application out there that makes sharing passwords or password vaults easy but is also free? For members of a relatively well-paid profession earning good wages from creating software, I wonder if the reluctance to support others earning money for quality work isn’t some form of cognitive dissonance. // Pre-emptive “edit” before this comment has replies: Folks post a lot of argument…

For me it’s the feature tiering and price discrimination that turns me off. I end up paying too much (total cost over 5 years) for too little. If you look at the business pricing it’s even dumber.

The $2 billion valuation of 1password tells the entire story. They’re overcharging for what they’re providing and I think tech people can “feel” that which is why tech communities hate the subscription BS.

Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults

#99

Post by lisper »

I've never understood why anyone who takes security seriously would even consider a non-self-hosted (and non-open-source) password manager, especially after the recent Apple shenanigans. If it's not open-source and self-hosted then your security is entirely dependent on the good will of your provider. If they decide to screw you, they can. And it's not just the good will of the people running your provider today that you have to bet on, it is the continued good will of whoever ends up running your provider tomorrow or after they get acquired. It seems like a bad bet to me in the long run.

Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults

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Post by YPPH »

colordrops wrote: post #92
AnonC wrote: post #13

They made the standalone license almost impossible to find and get, forced a subscription on users, and made the password vault storage online for the subscriptions. Now this self-hosting survey comes as a surprise, and it would be of some relief if/when it’s implemented. I do wonder how the licensing and pricing will be handled though. Bitwarden officially allows self-hosting for the personal use tiers, but it seems…

I thought Bitwarden is open source. Is it not a standard license? Can you not fork it and change its behavior?

It's $10 per year.

Is it really worth your time forking it to remove licence checks, when you could instead support the developers and not need to make any code changes?

Forking the code and removing licencing checks is perfectly permissible under the GPL. But it's pretty unreasonable in this case.

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