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Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults

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Post by ibdf »

fy20 wrote: post #28
gizdan wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can self-host vaultwarden (formerly bitwarden_rs), which gives full enterprise functionality.

I do this, works perfectly for sharing common passwords among my family (streaming services and utilities mainly). I moved from 1Password, and my main gripe with Bitwarden are the apps aren't as polished. If it's not too expensive I'd consider switching back (1Password family is $60 per year, so I assume this will be less).

I find this surprising. I’ve been using Bitwarden for a few years now… the mobile app is easy to use. They even make MFA painless by automatically copying the code after the password is entered. The browser extensions seem to work fine too. Perhaps the web app is not as clean, but I rarely use it.

Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults

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Post by j1elo »

fy20 wrote: post #28
gizdan wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can self-host vaultwarden (formerly bitwarden_rs), which gives full enterprise functionality.

I do this, works perfectly for sharing common passwords among my family (streaming services and utilities mainly). I moved from 1Password, and my main gripe with Bitwarden are the apps aren't as polished. If it's not too expensive I'd consider switching back (1Password family is $60 per year, so I assume this will be less).

I'm paying for a Bitwarden subscription because I want to support their product and their vision. But I don't know, time passes and some much needed improvements don't seem to arrive.

The most glaring issue (for me, anyway; I fully understand I'm just a sample size of 1!) they have is relying on the pop-up UI of the browser, which I guess is stateless (state is lost when the popup closes, it seems?). The decision of using this UI was already wrong from its inception, IMHO, not sure why they thought it would be a good idea. But more surprising is that they haven't yet moved to the much more reliable and user friendly method of opening their UI on a new tab, which was a no brainer when using LastPass. Oh well. They said to have this in the backlog, so hopefully it gets some attention sooner than later... but in the meantime the end users are faced with silly issues like this, software that loses user data should not be a concern in the first place, and for sure they won't care about some technical explanation about how the browser handles pop-up windows.

(for anyone interested: https://community.bitwarden.com/t/persist-bitwarden-ui-and-m...)

Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults

#63

Post by latexr »

aikinai wrote: post #36
microtonal wrote: post #5

Semi-related: this survey was announced alongside 1Password 8 for Windows early access. Apparently 1Password 8 for Windows uses Electron and there was some discussion about AgileBits wanting to move to the same architecture on all platforms. Does anyone know if 1Password 8 on macOS will also be an Electron app? Their Linux Electron app is pretty good and definitely much better than having no 1Password at all. However…

Thanks for the warning about this. I was already disappointed in the direction 1Password has been taking, and moving to Electron would certainly be the last straw. It’s totally reasonable that they want to cheap out on the actual software and expand their business into more lucrative services, but it’s not what I personally want in a password manager. So hopefully someone else, maybe a lone develop that doesn’t need…

> So hopefully someone else, maybe a lone develop that doesn’t need perpetual growth, will make a good, standalone, native Mac password manager.

You may wish to look into Secrets: https://outercorner.com/secrets-mac/

Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults

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Post by notafraudster »

I used 1password for about ten years. Every interaction I had with the developers was pretty hostile. Even if they encouraged self-hosting and version-based upgrading instead of a SaaS, I'd still stick with a competitor. At this point I'm irrationally bothered by the fact that it's a 100+ staff company just to make a product that's no better than it was when they had 10 staff and is now more expensive.

Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults

#65

Post by dawnerd »

notafraudster wrote: post #64

I used 1password for about ten years. Every interaction I had with the developers was pretty hostile. Even if they encouraged self-hosting and version-based upgrading instead of a SaaS, I'd still stick with a competitor. At this point I'm irrationally bothered by the fact that it's a 100+ staff company just to make a product that's no better than it was when they had 10 staff and is now more expensive.

Just to add another data point, I’ve been with them since almost day one and every interaction I’ve had has been very nice. They even got my data out of a backup when something weird happened when switching from a business to family plan. (I might be a weird edge case since my account shows as both family and business a custom domain).

Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults

#66

Post by Nullabillity »

MrStonedOne wrote: post #30

> To clarify, in 1Password 7 we had two types of vaults: vaults used with the 1Password.com service and what we called "local vaults" or "standalone vaults" which were synced however you decided to, typically Dropbox or iCloud. > Assuming we're talking about the same feature, then the answer is no, they are not implemented as the new releases do not have support for local/standalone vaults and 1Password 7 will be the…

Same reason that they presumably supported them in the first place: money?

Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults

#67

Post by gizdan »

j1elo wrote: post #62
fy20 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do this, works perfectly for sharing common passwords among my family (streaming services and utilities mainly). I moved from 1Password, and my main gripe with Bitwarden are the apps aren't as polished. If it's not too expensive I'd consider switching back (1Password family is $60 per year, so I assume this will be less).

I'm paying for a Bitwarden subscription because I want to support their product and their vision. But I don't know, time passes and some much needed improvements don't seem to arrive. The most glaring issue (for me, anyway; I fully understand I'm just a sample size of 1!) they have is relying on the pop-up UI of the browser, which I guess is stateless (state is lost when the popup closes, it seems?). The decision of…

It gets worse. Their browser extension doesn't work when using a private window in Firefox. The GitHub issue[0] around it was raised in 2017. They've been blaming Mozilla for deprecating and subsequently removing an API. It's pretty ridiculous.

[0] https://github.com/bitwarden/browser/issues/136

Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults

#68

Post by yreg »

cosmolev wrote: post #25

I am still on 1Password 6 because it is the last version with the self-hosted vault.

Same here. It's a neat app, I don't feel like I'm missing something.

The main bummer is no Safari extension, which (together with no RES) is preventing me from using Safari as my main browser.

Looking back at the times ~10 years ago, it was a pretty good investment to buy software licenses before everything went SaaS.

Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults

#69

Post by yreg »

geerlingguy wrote: post #49
cosmolev wrote: post #25

I am still on 1Password 6 because it is the last version with the self-hosted vault.

I'm on 1Password 7 and am syncing my local vault through Dropbox. I don't pay any subscription...

How did you do that? Did you port license from an older 1Password, or is there some way to buy 1Password 7?

Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults

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Post by gizdan »

hanklazard wrote: post #41
afavour wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had the exact same experience. I don’t want to care about the app UI etc but when you use a password manager as often as you do it really matters. Not to mention selling the idea to less tech-savvy family members, it really does have to be as simple as can be.

I self-host Bitwarden_rs and use the client apps on Windows, Linux, and MacOS. To me, the UI seems very usable, polished and attractive. It doesn’t seem that different from 1Password, which I switched from a few years ago. What exactly about the UI needs improvement?

Personally the UI itself is fine. The UX on the other hand not so much.

- Firefox Extension doesn't work fully in a private window in Firefox.

- Extension loses data when you click away from it.

- Extension is hard to navigate using keyboard - e.g. there is no way to copy specific username/password/otp code.

There is lots more issues.

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