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Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults

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Post by karmanyaahm »

afavour wrote: post #37
fy20 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do this, works perfectly for sharing common passwords among my family (streaming services and utilities mainly). I moved from 1Password, and my main gripe with Bitwarden are the apps aren't as polished. If it's not too expensive I'd consider switching back (1Password family is $60 per year, so I assume this will be less).

I had the exact same experience. I don’t want to care about the app UI etc but when you use a password manager as often as you do it really matters. Not to mention selling the idea to less tech-savvy family members, it really does have to be as simple as can be.

my less savvy family members all use bitwarden with sharing and don't see any major problems fwiw ymmw

Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults

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Post by krull10 »

xoa wrote: post #34
featdd wrote: post #6

When I was evaluating which password manager to use I instantly favoroud 1password, but not having the possibility to self host my data was non-negotiable for me. I will definitely stay up to date whether this really comes or not.

FWIW, though it's hard to find nowadays AFAIK the standalone license is still offered and I still use mine with the latest version. You can use unlimited local vaults and network sync them via Dropbox (or a janky WiFi thing). The local sync hasn't gotten any TLC in a while but it works same as always without any limits.

And this whole discussion is because they’ve announced that will be dropped with version 8. No more standalone licenses, local vaults or syncing via Dropbox/iCloud. Even this (potential) “self-hosted” option sounds ridiculous; users are going to have to run a version of their cloud server locally and use that for syncing instead of just having a vault they can sync locally or through the service of their choice.

Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults

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Post by tpetry »

manicdee wrote: post #40
faeyanpiraat wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s wrong with their hosting? I’m happy that I don’t have to manage a hardened up-to-date server just for this.

If you stop paying them, you stop being able to update your passwords. Also if you can't connect to their servers, you can't synchronise your passwords between devices. Also non-US companies will have a concern about storing sensitive material on US-based services given the powers the US is giving itself regarding intercepting communications or seizing data centres.

You are not storing passwords in plaintext on their servers. They are very open and document on how it works. Basically you give them fully encrypted information they can‘t use for anything

Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults

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Post by selfup »

mpalmer wrote: post #50
dijit wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

90% of the functionality is written in rust components and the UI is a very slim wrapper around those APIs; it seems. And even then it looks like the JS is WASM compiled from rust. It’s not implemented in JavaScript/typescript is what I mean. As such it seems to be lean on my system.

If it is Electron, I don't think you can credibly call an entire Chromium instance a "very slim wrapper".

There's a chance it's using Tauri (rust) https://tauri.studio/en/ if it's truly not using Electron but a similar concept. However WASM builds in Electron would make more sense if they use the term Electron.

Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults

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Post by srswtf123 »

manicdee wrote: post #40
faeyanpiraat wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s wrong with their hosting? I’m happy that I don’t have to manage a hardened up-to-date server just for this.

If you stop paying them, you stop being able to update your passwords. Also if you can't connect to their servers, you can't synchronise your passwords between devices. Also non-US companies will have a concern about storing sensitive material on US-based services given the powers the US is giving itself regarding intercepting communications or seizing data centres.

Aren’t they based in Canada, not the US?

Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults

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Post by api »

AnonC wrote: post #13

They made the standalone license almost impossible to find and get, forced a subscription on users, and made the password vault storage online for the subscriptions. Now this self-hosting survey comes as a surprise, and it would be of some relief if/when it’s implemented. I do wonder how the licensing and pricing will be handled though. Bitwarden officially allows self-hosting for the personal use tiers, but it seems…

> Is there any password management application out there that makes sharing passwords or password vaults easy but is also free?

If there isn’t something out there that is free, there are two options:

1. Make one.

2. Stop complaining.

Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults

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Post by aniforprez »

selfup wrote: post #54
mpalmer wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it is Electron, I don't think you can credibly call an entire Chromium instance a "very slim wrapper".

There's a chance it's using Tauri (rust) https://tauri.studio/en/ if it's truly not using Electron but a similar concept. However WASM builds in Electron would make more sense if they use the term Electron.

Link below to the behind-the-scenes article. I have no experience using the Linux app so I'm not sure of the performance but a lot of the core seems to be written in Rust compiled to WASM which is the way it's now being done for their browser extension. Personally everyone keeps cribbing about electron but I hope 1Password has found a way to make good on performance

https://dteare.medium.com/behind-the-scenes-of-1password-for...

Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults

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Post by kenneth »

I've been self hosting 1Password for about a decade without any issues. There's always been a way around the subscription stuff. I honestly don't mind paying the subscription pricing, just didn't like the idea of storing my passwords on their service with everyone else's.

Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults

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Post by hanklazard »

afavour wrote: post #42
hanklazard wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I self-host Bitwarden_rs and use the client apps on Windows, Linux, and MacOS. To me, the UI seems very usable, polished and attractive. It doesn’t seem that different from 1Password, which I switched from a few years ago. What exactly about the UI needs improvement?

The mobile apps were the primary problem for me. Regrettably it was long enough ago that I can’t remember all the details but I’m pretty sure at the time it didn’t support TouchID for one.

I'd say give it another try sometime! The mobile app (I've only used the iOS version) is very usable and has FaceID support for those that want it. Also, safari can work with the app to pull passwords quickly.

I'm just really grateful this project exists. I've tried most of the major password managers out there and I feel like BW/VW is the clear winner, especially if you're willing to host your own server. If not, their pricing for an annual personal account is incredibly reasonable.

Re: 1password is considering a self-hosted option to store vaults

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Post by bobbylarrybobby »

tqkxzugoaupvwqr wrote: post #45
AnonC wrote: post #13

They made the standalone license almost impossible to find and get, forced a subscription on users, and made the password vault storage online for the subscriptions. Now this self-hosting survey comes as a surprise, and it would be of some relief if/when it’s implemented. I do wonder how the licensing and pricing will be handled though. Bitwarden officially allows self-hosting for the personal use tiers, but it seems…

Are you saying there is as standalone version of 1Password 7? Does it support vault sync via iCloud?

Yes and yes
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