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Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by cycomanic »

EMM_386 wrote: post #48

The idea of living on these remote islands fascinates me, especially in today's modern world where many on this planet are able to take certain conveniences for granted. If you have a medical emergency while in places like this, you may be in serious trouble. Even in places like Antarctica, and even at the top of Mount Everest, we have modern medical facilities within range and helicopters that can come grab you, wea…

Generally agreeing with you, just wanted to comment that in Antarctica you can't be grabbed by a helicopter (or plane) during a significant portion of the year. There is typically one doctor on the base who trains some of the other personal as "nurses". They have to essentially do everything from minor ailments to significant medical emergencies. There is actually stories about the doctor on the base having to perform an appendics removal on himself. This happened twice once on the Russian base and once on the French IIRC. You can look it up there's even photos.

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by NiceWayToDoIT »

doublec wrote: post #9

I am of Pitcairn descent. My grandmother was born there. I'm a descendant of the mutineers Fletcher Christian, John Mills and Edward Young, and the Tahitian women who went there, Mauatua, Vahineatua, To'ofaiti and Teraura. I've been to the island and I'm active in the Pitcairn community here in New Zealand. The island is a vibrant community of people working. When I was there they were very warm and welcoming. The is…

Great photos! What is the weather there during the year? While I was visiting New Zealand I found out that weather can quickly change, and kiwi told me it is usual thing they even have a song "4 seasons in one day"...

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by scrollaway »

freyfogle wrote: post #36

surprised no one has mentioend the excellent Extremities podcast, one of the seasons was about life on and history of Pitcairn https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/arrival-on-pitcairn/id...

Seconding Wendover’s Extremities season about Pitcairn. It’s a YouTube channel nowadays, it seems like the podcast didn’t take off much.

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by doublec »

NiceWayToDoIT wrote: post #82
doublec wrote: post #9

I am of Pitcairn descent. My grandmother was born there. I'm a descendant of the mutineers Fletcher Christian, John Mills and Edward Young, and the Tahitian women who went there, Mauatua, Vahineatua, To'ofaiti and Teraura. I've been to the island and I'm active in the Pitcairn community here in New Zealand. The island is a vibrant community of people working. When I was there they were very warm and welcoming. The is…

Great photos! What is the weather there during the year? While I was visiting New Zealand I found out that weather can quickly change, and kiwi told me it is usual thing they even have a song "4 seasons in one day"...

It's usually pretty warm, 20-ish celcius. It got cold when I was there when a storm was passing through, dropping to about 12 celcius. It can get stormy but for the month I was there it was mostly sunshine with short showers. I'm not sure how different the rest of the year is though - I was there for April/May.

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by ptr2voidStar »

tragomaskhalos wrote: post #73
EMM_386 wrote: post #48

The idea of living on these remote islands fascinates me, especially in today's modern world where many on this planet are able to take certain conveniences for granted. If you have a medical emergency while in places like this, you may be in serious trouble. Even in places like Antarctica, and even at the top of Mount Everest, we have modern medical facilities within range and helicopters that can come grab you, wea…

If you aren't aware of it, you should check out "Atlas of Remote Islands: Fifty Islands I Have Not Visited and Never Will" by Judith Schalansky

I like the title of the book!

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by throwaway882021 »

_6pvr wrote: post #34
doublec wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dispute your words that the island is a "rather sad place". It is a place full of people living in a remote island but the place is a warm and vibrant community full of history. Not just the history of the mutiny, but the history of the Tahitian ancestry pre-mutiny. They have a local government where local laws are enacted but as you say, they are British ruled due to a an encounter in the 1838 of a British ship wh…

I would say a place that is both so small and so riddled with sexual abuse definitely qualifies as "rather sad". I think your bias/passion for its/your heritage might be skewing your perception. If 1/3 of the male population are convicted, I would assume the realities of who partook are actually much worse.

> If 1/3 of the male population are convicted, I would assume the realities of who partook are actually much worse.

And though news articles talk about 1/3 of the males, they usually don't mention what percentage it was of the _adult_ males. According to this Guardian article[1], it was 7/12 of the men on the island (58%), and that's not including the man convicted in 2016. A meeting of women on the island consisting of "almost the entire adult female population of Pitcairn"[2] (13 women) also defended the actions as just being part of the island's way of life.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/07/former-pitcair...

[2] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/growing...

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by sonicggg »

shipmaster wrote: post #24

I knew nothing of Pitcairn but when I searched I ran into this in the Wikipedia article, its fallout is as recent as 2016. Surprised no one is talking about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitcairn_Islands#Sexual_miscon...

I said something about it, but my content was censored by the SS here.

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by hermitcrab »

EMM_386 wrote: post #48

The idea of living on these remote islands fascinates me, especially in today's modern world where many on this planet are able to take certain conveniences for granted. If you have a medical emergency while in places like this, you may be in serious trouble. Even in places like Antarctica, and even at the top of Mount Everest, we have modern medical facilities within range and helicopters that can come grab you, wea…

>If you have a medical emergency while in places like this, you may be in serious trouble. Even in places like Antarctica, and even at the top of Mount Everest, we have modern medical facilities within range and helicopters that can come grab you, weather permitting.

A helicopter has landed on the summit of Everest ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didier_Delsalle ) but that was a record attempt right on the edge of what is possible. I don't think they would have had enough margin to rescue anyone.

Even when I climbed Mera Peak (~21,000 feet) we were told there was no hope of a helicopter coming for us at the higher altitudes.

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by EMM_386 »

hermitcrab wrote: post #89
EMM_386 wrote: post #48

The idea of living on these remote islands fascinates me, especially in today's modern world where many on this planet are able to take certain conveniences for granted. If you have a medical emergency while in places like this, you may be in serious trouble. Even in places like Antarctica, and even at the top of Mount Everest, we have modern medical facilities within range and helicopters that can come grab you, wea…

>If you have a medical emergency while in places like this, you may be in serious trouble. Even in places like Antarctica, and even at the top of Mount Everest, we have modern medical facilities within range and helicopters that can come grab you, weather permitting. A helicopter has landed on the summit of Everest ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didier_Delsalle ) but that was a record attempt right on the edge of wh…

> Even when I climbed Mera Peak (~21,000 feet) we were told there was no hope of a helicopter coming for us at the higher altitudes.

Not that this isn't extremely dangerous in its own right, but at least there is the option, however slight it may be under the current conditions, of getting to a lower altitude where the helicopter or a rescue climb can get to you. This may be even more feasible if climbing with a group who can help get you lower.

On Pitcairn, you simply aren't leaving in any reasonable timeframe. If you survive a heart attack but it only gives you 2 weeks to live without surgery, and the next ship is due in 3 months and the closest freighter is 3 weeks away, you're going to die.

It's more similar to being on the moon than on a mountain.

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