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Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by cat_plus_plus »

teruakohatu wrote: post #6

This is partly administered by my country, New Zealand, although is not part of the Realm of New Zealand (New Zealand plus territories it controls), rather it is a British Overseas Territory. The people living there are mostly descendants of the Bounty mutineers and their captives. There has been a long sad history of sexual abuse, with one third of the island's male population being convicted and imprisoned in the e…

Just saying population 53 at present, so we are talking about like 8 guys? Doesn't seem reasonable to assume that long term history of this place will be defined by so few people.

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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doublec wrote: post #9

I am of Pitcairn descent. My grandmother was born there. I'm a descendant of the mutineers Fletcher Christian, John Mills and Edward Young, and the Tahitian women who went there, Mauatua, Vahineatua, To'ofaiti and Teraura. I've been to the island and I'm active in the Pitcairn community here in New Zealand. The island is a vibrant community of people working. When I was there they were very warm and welcoming. The is…

I was about to tag you on facebook about this being on HN! :)

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by tragomaskhalos »

EMM_386 wrote: post #48

The idea of living on these remote islands fascinates me, especially in today's modern world where many on this planet are able to take certain conveniences for granted. If you have a medical emergency while in places like this, you may be in serious trouble. Even in places like Antarctica, and even at the top of Mount Everest, we have modern medical facilities within range and helicopters that can come grab you, wea…

If you aren't aware of it, you should check out "Atlas of Remote Islands: Fifty Islands I Have Not Visited and Never Will" by Judith Schalansky

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by drran »

midasuni wrote: post #69
doublec wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely! The cost might be prohibitive for the Pitcairners salary though.

I suspect that price will be adjusted depending on target market. Won’t cost spacex anything to provide Internet to tiny islands like this

Yep. They will charge much more in such remote areas with almost no competition.

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by doublec »

keithnz wrote: post #72
doublec wrote: post #9

I am of Pitcairn descent. My grandmother was born there. I'm a descendant of the mutineers Fletcher Christian, John Mills and Edward Young, and the Tahitian women who went there, Mauatua, Vahineatua, To'ofaiti and Teraura. I've been to the island and I'm active in the Pitcairn community here in New Zealand. The island is a vibrant community of people working. When I was there they were very warm and welcoming. The is…

I was about to tag you on facebook about this being on HN! :)

Haha, thanks! I was surprised to see Pitcairn on HN.

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by doublec »

markdown wrote: post #68
doublec wrote: post #9

I am of Pitcairn descent. My grandmother was born there. I'm a descendant of the mutineers Fletcher Christian, John Mills and Edward Young, and the Tahitian women who went there, Mauatua, Vahineatua, To'ofaiti and Teraura. I've been to the island and I'm active in the Pitcairn community here in New Zealand. The island is a vibrant community of people working. When I was there they were very warm and welcoming. The is…

Great photos, thanks for sharing. Do you know if kava and taro grow there?

Taro grows, there's even an area called "Taro Ground". I'm a fan of kava and I know Tahiti has a kava tradition. I asked one of my cousins about kava on the island and they don't know of it growing there. Given that the island was populated previously by Polynesians it's possible there is wild kava growing there somewhere. Next time I go I'm keen to look out for it. It would be interesting to try and cultivate it and make it a crop for sale in the same way Honey, Coffee, etc has become a popular export item.

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by doublec »

new_realist wrote: post #62

Are children allowed on the island after what happened there?

There are children on the island, and a school there. When they get to high school age they leave the island to attend school in New Zealand and return afterwards - or stay in NZ. At the time of my journey there was a child protection order on the island which means if you planned to take children under the age of 16 then you need to apply for a visa. Government jobs don't allow taking children. One of the unfortunate obstacles to people immigrating is there is no public long term plan that I've seen about when that order will be lifted.

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by doublec »

Animats wrote: post #63
MattGaiser wrote: post #8

Anyone know of anyone has actually applied?

Wikipedia: "The Pitcairn government's attempts to attract migrants have been unsuccessful. Since 2013, some 700 make inquiries each year, but so far, not a single formal settlement application has been received." It's never been important enough militarily for anybody to build an airport. It's mountainous, with no big flat areas, so that's a big earthmoving job. It's at least 1500 miles to anywhere, so a small bush S…

I've heard that there have been applications, but the problem seems to be that the people applying lack the understanding of what it's like to live there. Generally you want people to live on the island for a few months to see if they can manage. Things are on hold at the moment due to the borders being closed during the pandemic.

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by doublec »

simonebrunozzi wrote: post #70

I think the website is missing important information (or it's buried somewhere): - quick facts about Pitcairn [0] (e.g. 47 people, 47 sq.km of surface, British Overseas Territory) - what kind of visa you will grant (permanent resident?) - is there a path to citizenship / passport, and if so, how long it would take? - is there any special agreement with the UK? e.g. UK passport after 5 years of residence. - income tax…

Note that Pitcairn Island isn't 47 sq. km. That's the size of the combined islands in the Pitcairn area - Henderson, Ducie, Oeno and Pitcairn. Pitcairn Island itself is 3.2km long and 1.6km wide.

The population has been in the low hundreds in the past, and population pressure was one of the reasons for the 1831 migration to Tahiti and the 1856 migration to Norfolk.

I agree more information on the website would be good.

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by cycomanic »

doublec wrote: post #76
markdown wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great photos, thanks for sharing. Do you know if kava and taro grow there?

Taro grows, there's even an area called "Taro Ground". I'm a fan of kava and I know Tahiti has a kava tradition. I asked one of my cousins about kava on the island and they don't know of it growing there. Given that the island was populated previously by Polynesians it's possible there is wild kava growing there somewhere. Next time I go I'm keen to look out for it. It would be interesting to try and cultivate it and…

I just want to say that HN continues to surprise and amaze me. An article about pitcairn is upvoted (amazing enough in itself) and then we get a decendent of the original mutineers chime in and offers to contact their cousins on the island for specific answers.
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