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Re: In ‘Anonymous’ Raids, Feds Work From List of Top 1,000 Protesters

#11

Post by shareme » Wed, Jul 27, 2011, 2:01 AM UTC

I do not think the FEDs main target was these arrests..

Why?

The FEDs targets would be the financial, administration of the botnets used in the DDOs attacks..

The arrests are to put pressure on the alleged criminals to turn in the others..

The FEDs are after who is controlling the botnets in the DDOS attacks in the long term..

And you will not see the arrests of those for awhile as far as what appears in the press a the FBI can lock that down for 90 days as far as anybody knowing that you are being investigated..

Re: In ‘Anonymous’ Raids, Feds Work From List of Top 1,000 Protesters

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Post by geekam » Wed, Jul 27, 2011, 2:02 AM UTC

melvinng wrote: post #4

andreyf wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They probably won't arrest him. I'm a bit surprised that this was enough to even get a search warrant...

Considering that most DDOS attacks come from zombie bots installed on programs when people Torrent, I'm suprised that there were arrest made based on IPs

I know. I was thinking the same thing. How does an IP address translate to a human being?

Re: In ‘Anonymous’ Raids, Feds Work From List of Top 1,000 Protesters

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Post by dwilson718 » Wed, Jul 27, 2011, 2:24 AM UTC

shareme wrote: post #11

I do not think the FEDs main target was these arrests.. Why? The FEDs targets would be the financial, administration of the botnets used in the DDOs attacks.. The arrests are to put pressure on the alleged criminals to turn in the others.. The FEDs are after who is controlling the botnets in the DDOS attacks in the long term.. And you will not see the arrests of those for awhile as far as what appears in the press a…

if this is their tactic i can only laugh. for the most part, the members of anonymous dont even know who the other members are.

Re: In ‘Anonymous’ Raids, Feds Work From List of Top 1,000 Protesters

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Post by smokeyj » Wed, Jul 27, 2011, 2:25 AM UTC

How exactly does one take an IP number and point a finger to the person who caused that transmission? If a computer can be hijacked by an undetectable virus from a Sony cd, can we really say for sure who caused any transmission from a PC? What if you framed your neighbors unsecured wifi? Or target someone's home? It's like a modern day witch hunt!

Re: In ‘Anonymous’ Raids, Feds Work From List of Top 1,000 Protesters

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Post by xioaqmajtt » Wed, Jul 27, 2011, 2:40 AM UTC

kkowalczyk wrote: post #9

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Re: In ‘Anonymous’ Raids, Feds Work From List of Top 1,000 Protesters

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Post by jrockway » Wed, Jul 27, 2011, 2:40 AM UTC

maqr wrote: post #5

tshtf wrote: post #2

The newly released affidavit was offered in support of a search warrant for the home of an Arlington, Texas couple and their son, who were among the July 19 targets, and have not been charged. The house was the source of 3,678 packets in about two-and-a-half hours starting December 8. So they're going to arrest a kid for sending an average on one packet every two seconds, over the period of two-and-a-half hours?

If you assume an MTU of 1500 bytes, then this kid sent about 5.25MB worth of data.

But he didn't buy anything! This is like walking into a book store, looking around at books, reading a bit, and leaving the store without making a purchase. Clearly a federal crime.

Re: In ‘Anonymous’ Raids, Feds Work From List of Top 1,000 Protesters

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Post by coderdude » Wed, Jul 27, 2011, 2:45 AM UTC

I really wish people would stop submitting articles about Anonymous getting in trouble for doing stupid things. They bring out the worst comments. You get a bunch of people who can't imagine why you might get in trouble for damaging (or attempting to damage) private property and bunch of other people who somehow think that damaging private property is civil disobedience -- as though they're fighting unjust laws. For example, PayPal didn't want to support WikiLeaks? Attacking them is vandalism, not civil disobedience.

If you don't like it when kids get in trouble for damaging the property of people and companies they disagree with then stop encouraging it by pretending they're doing some kind of good for humanity. This isn't about big bad governments crushing the will of innocent children.

Re: In ‘Anonymous’ Raids, Feds Work From List of Top 1,000 Protesters

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Post by mcphilip » Wed, Jul 27, 2011, 2:46 AM UTC

smokeyj wrote: post #14

How exactly does one take an IP number and point a finger to the person who caused that transmission? If a computer can be hijacked by an undetectable virus from a Sony cd, can we really say for sure who caused any transmission from a PC? What if you framed your neighbors unsecured wifi? Or target someone's home? It's like a modern day witch hunt!

Yeah, my thoughts exactly. Whatever happened with that judge's ruling that an IP is not a person? Did it get overturned?

http://torrentfreak.com/ip-address-not-a-person-bittorrent-c...

Re: In ‘Anonymous’ Raids, Feds Work From List of Top 1,000 Protesters

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Post by umright » Wed, Jul 27, 2011, 2:46 AM UTC

jrockway wrote: post #16

maqr wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you assume an MTU of 1500 bytes, then this kid sent about 5.25MB worth of data.

But he didn't buy anything! This is like walking into a book store, looking around at books, reading a bit, and leaving the store without making a purchase. Clearly a federal crime.

Yeah but he looked at over 9000 books and therefore committed the crime. Of course, the only crime he is guilty of is being young and inept.

They're going after these people to make an example of them, not because they did anything actually harmful.

Re: In ‘Anonymous’ Raids, Feds Work From List of Top 1,000 Protesters

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Post by robryan » Wed, Jul 27, 2011, 3:06 AM UTC

So I would assume they are going to be getting the most clueless kids here that probably caused minimal harm. I assume the real organisers of this kind of action wouldn't be DDOS'ing PayPal with easily identifiable packets from their home IP addresses.