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Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by void_mint »

legostormtroopr wrote: post #18
teruakohatu wrote: post #6

This is partly administered by my country, New Zealand, although is not part of the Realm of New Zealand (New Zealand plus territories it controls), rather it is a British Overseas Territory. The people living there are mostly descendants of the Bounty mutineers and their captives. There has been a long sad history of sexual abuse, with one third of the island's male population being convicted and imprisoned in the e…

> There has been a long sad history of sexual abuse, with one third of the island's male population being convicted and imprisoned in the early 2000s. This sounds really bad, until you realise one-third of the male population is 7 people. You are correct, but its not an accurate use of statistics.

It's absolutely an accurate use of statistics. One third of the male population was imprisoned for sexual abuse. Regardless of how many, wouldn't you want to know if 1/3 of the men around you are sexual abusers?

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by doublec »

vimy wrote: post #29
doublec wrote: post #9

I am of Pitcairn descent. My grandmother was born there. I'm a descendant of the mutineers Fletcher Christian, John Mills and Edward Young, and the Tahitian women who went there, Mauatua, Vahineatua, To'ofaiti and Teraura. I've been to the island and I'm active in the Pitcairn community here in New Zealand. The island is a vibrant community of people working. When I was there they were very warm and welcoming. The is…

How do people earn money in such a small economy?

There are government jobs - administration, post office, local council, maintenance of roads, buildings, etc. They make and sell crafts, honey, coffee, etc online and to cruise ships. The latter has taken a hit due to borders being closed during covid. See Pipco for an example https://www.pipco.pn

Some of the islanders have small businesses - one runs a Pizza place with regular pizza nights.

Costs of living are low due to growing and catching your own food.

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by _6pvr »

doublec wrote: post #11
teruakohatu wrote: post #6

This is partly administered by my country, New Zealand, although is not part of the Realm of New Zealand (New Zealand plus territories it controls), rather it is a British Overseas Territory. The people living there are mostly descendants of the Bounty mutineers and their captives. There has been a long sad history of sexual abuse, with one third of the island's male population being convicted and imprisoned in the e…

I dispute your words that the island is a "rather sad place". It is a place full of people living in a remote island but the place is a warm and vibrant community full of history. Not just the history of the mutiny, but the history of the Tahitian ancestry pre-mutiny. They have a local government where local laws are enacted but as you say, they are British ruled due to a an encounter in the 1838 of a British ship wh…

I would say a place that is both so small and so riddled with sexual abuse definitely qualifies as "rather sad". I think your bias/passion for its/your heritage might be skewing your perception. If 1/3 of the male population are convicted, I would assume the realities of who partook are actually much worse.

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by DoreenMichele »

doublec wrote: post #30
DoreenMichele wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

officials whose remit is to report on anything they perceive as suspicious. Oof. That would be crazy making. If you are actively looking for such, you will find it -- even if you have to read in a lot that isn't really there. Add in cross cultural misunderstanding and this has to be a pretty negative experience for locals.

When I was there I was having lunch with some of my cousins. I was chatting about what a great place it was to grow up, being able to be in the country, swimming, explore the island, etc. One of the officials popped in to say hi and overheard that part. They immediately said "What?! Kids are playing outside unsupervised?! That's how bad things happen, who were they, when did it happen." etc etc. I explained I was tal…

I was homeless for a few years. People do the same thing to homeless people: assume you are bad and wrong and stupid and need someone else to fix you.

Nope, no interest in what actually happened to you that you ended up so poor. Nope, it couldn't have anything to do with systemic issues. You just must be a bad person.

I'm sorry we still do this so much throughout the world.

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by DoreenMichele »

doublec wrote: post #26
DoreenMichele wrote: post #21

From the Wikipedia article posted in one of the comments: Although archaeologists believe that Polynesians were living on Pitcairn as late as the 15th century, the islands were uninhabited when they were rediscovered by Europeans. In 1790, nine of the mutineers from the Bounty, along with the native Tahitian men and women who were with them (six men, eleven women, and a baby girl), settled on Pitcairn Island and set…

There are Tahitian legends about Pitcairn Island, referred to as Hitiaurevareva, showing that there was travel to and from the island in the past. There are Mangarevan legends also. In the Tahitian legend of Rata, which would be familiar to NZ Māori and other Polynesian people, he goes from Tahiti to Pitcairn to rescue his mother. Tupaia who guided Captain Cook around the pacific, and who acted as translator, drew a…

I wonder if those oral traditions are being recorded and shared somehow. I assume you are talking about oral histories from locals.

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by vimy »

doublec wrote: post #33
vimy wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do people earn money in such a small economy?

There are government jobs - administration, post office, local council, maintenance of roads, buildings, etc. They make and sell crafts, honey, coffee, etc online and to cruise ships. The latter has taken a hit due to borders being closed during covid. See Pipco for an example https://www.pipco.pn Some of the islanders have small businesses - one runs a Pizza place with regular pizza nights. Costs of living are low d…

So the economy is mostly tourist based? Are there taxes?

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by JPKab »

doublec wrote: post #9

I am of Pitcairn descent. My grandmother was born there. I'm a descendant of the mutineers Fletcher Christian, John Mills and Edward Young, and the Tahitian women who went there, Mauatua, Vahineatua, To'ofaiti and Teraura. I've been to the island and I'm active in the Pitcairn community here in New Zealand. The island is a vibrant community of people working. When I was there they were very warm and welcoming. The is…

It sounds like a place filled with nature's bounty.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by bravura »

"You can visit without a visa for up to 14 days, while long-term visit visas are valid for up to 6 months. "

"How do people travel to/from Pitcairn? The Government of Pitcairn Islands charters a passenger/cargo vessel. This currently carries supplies and passengers to the island every three months."

How do you visit for only 14 days if there is no airport and the ship only comes every three months?

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