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Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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I'd say you have a fair point about the competition, but not about their being a lack of critical examination. A critical examination of the market would yield the fact that surveyed black viewers want more content targeted at them, don't feel fully represented even in the existing black content that's out there, and that despite an admittedly (and perhaps temporary) spike in black content, an estimated $10b in reven…

Maybe it's just because I have more exposure to the Hollywood side of this than you do, but you're very dismissive of BET and your other Hollywood competitors in a way that suggests you didn't do your research and that you're thinking that your tech backgrounds will magically let you jump into this market without actually knowing how it works. BET can never be all the way in on serving the black audience, as Viacom w…

Obviously, you seem to think very highly of what you know, and very little of what I know. First and foremost, the idea that I just have a tech background is probably where you've really misread me. I'm a media person through and through who developed with the times and tech industry's takeover by technical developments.

Second, I 100% understand how BET is owned. I don't think anyone on Wall St. cares when a public company says we operate this subsidiary like an independent unit--it's pretty much never been true in the history of public companies, but it certainly isn't true in the case of BET. BET's biggest show of the year (the BET Awards) is aired on multiple Viacom channels. BET+'s subscriber numbers are folded into Viacom's overall numbers and separately disclosed. BET's cable carriage fees are negotiated in conjunction with Viacom's other cable channels. And at least (I haven't actually done a full count) 3 of BET's original shows are available separately on other Viacom SVOD services--something the "leader" of BET+ wouldn't do if they were 100% focused on growing their own subscriber base. Also, I'm pretty sure the head of BET (Scott Mills) reports to David Nevins and not the CEO of Viacom, which is the only way you could even begin to think it's an independent unit. So for you to say BET is run as an independent unit--well, I'd hate to see what it would look like if it wasn't run independently.

Third, when it comes to product, yes, BET spends more than us. We're a start-up. Our product is not what theirs is...yet. All I'm saying is that they aren't implementing the types of features we plan to add, and aren't investing in product development at a commiserate level with that of a tech company. And that's okay--I don't think they want to be a tech company--they want to be a media company (which I'll touch on later). In terms of our website being "inferior", you are right. We're not there yet. But to say it doesn't matter what's on our roadmap--well, I take it you don't really invest in seed companies. Because if all you can do is see what we're doing today and write us off, then you wouldn't invest in any company at the seed stage. You wouldn't even invest in Netflix before SVOD with that criteria. But I'll give it to you: we're not as good as the incumbents today.

Fourth, yes, I look at our competitors' decision to use Amazon Channels and Roku Channel as an opportunity for us. I think you don't quite understand the nuance there though. I'm not criticizing them for making their apps downloadable to Amazon or Roku--our apps are there as well. I'm saying that they disintermediate themselves by being apart of those platforms "Channels" offerings, which means Amazon and Roku actually own the customer relationship and can take a huge percentage of the revenue from each customer. By doing that, our competitors are simply replicating the old cable business model in digital form. But what Netflix should have taught us is that digital finally gives TV companies the chance to know and "own" their customers--and there's immense value in that. You bring up HBOMax, but they just went through a protracted negotiation with the platforms because they wanted to get HBO off of Amazon/Roku channels. In fact, just this week, HBOMax is no longer on Amazon Channels. This is good business. It's risky, but it's best for the long term. BET is not taking that route. They prefer to grow their audience at the sacrifice of ARPU and data, probably because they want to be a media/content company--or at least that's what's easiest for them to do given their strengths. And that's okay. That is one way to play it--and it's also probably the route you go if you don't want to invest a "ton" in tech and part of your parent company's mandate is to be a content "arms dealer".

Fifth, I think you've distilled our differentiated approach into something it very much isn't. I've written a few times about the few things we're trying to do. If you think our plan to get venture scale returns is to make "indie tv crap targeting black viewers", then you're not really here for the conversation but just to malign what we're doing. And I guess that's fine. I responded in hopes that others might be interested in an educated response to the misleading conclusions you reached.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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> If I criticize some behavior that happens to be more prevalent among black americans than other americans, to some people that simple fact makes that critique, and thus me, a racist. You'll have to talk to those people, whoever they are. What I'm saying is that actual racist behavior often uses arguably non-racist arguments to attack African-Americans. It's an obvious and well-used tactic. > No, they're not. Hate s…

You think some boss reads a forum comment and then goes and fires their minority workers the next day because “hate speech”? I’d say that bigoted boss is the problem. Seems like a stretch to me..

It's a stretch that people are fired (or not hired) because of their race, and that racism is not spread through speech? How else do ideas and influence spread, if not through speech?

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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You’re essentially saying that black people need to erase their cultural identity and assimilate into the dominant culture and shut up and watch tv shows about white people like the rest of us and be happy about it. Black people live a different experience than other groups, and maybe they want different shows that resonate with them. BET has been successful for a long time and this service is BET for the internet.

You are saying that as if all black people have the same identity or something. Since when does the color of ones skin define their culture?

That's not at all what I'm trying to say. I'm merely pushing back on a lot of people in this thread acting like it's somehow offensive or not ok to try to market a streaming platform aimed the African American audience. There are many different cultures in the African Diaspora, and it seems that this service is targeted primarily at American black people. And I really don't see what is wrong with the idea of launching a streaming service to cater to a specific, underserved demographic.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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I'd be very interested to know how many paying users you guys have already.

Right now it feels very amateurish. The landing page is not that bad, but only once the video actually starts playing. Before that when your logo is just frozen. It looks very bad. The copy can also be better.

The Initial Dashboard UI looks really bad. I'm very confused why you guys have such a thick menu bar at the top with a cyan like background color...

On top of that you guys have very few shows, and all the shows seem like web series I'd watch on youtube for free...

Also please fix your categories, right now it's showing the shows name...

I think you guys should really consider just making your platform free for a while until you get some traction.

Seems like an interesting idea but executed very poorly so far... Hopefully that changes in the future :D

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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I am generally curious, when does under represented move to represented or appropriately represented?

Maybe when someone and their customers don't feel drawn to create and consume something like this?

Well that remains to be seen, and best of luck to them.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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> We took the distribution route, because ultimately we believe it's the direct relationship with the consumer that will allow for this to work. Be honest. It's less capital intensive, with much higher valuations.

There had to be a friendlier way to make that comment.

Yeah what the heck lol

"Be honest" is the same as "you're a liar"

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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Trying to avoid being flagged here, genuine curiosity…

I don’t get why black people would be interested in black on content. Would asians? Would women sign up to a platform that had only females? I’m not black but it feels insulting to black people. On the other hand, I’m aware that maybe I just don’t get it.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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Congratulations on YC, pursuing your dreams, and taking on an idea that is obviously somewhat controversial. Based on YouTube, social media platforms, and the Internet in general, our worlds are becoming more polarized and segregated by default whether it's from politics or sports. The end result is a fight/flight mindset when it comes to culture and identity. It's important to fight for the right balance or else we…

> else we may be left with a very White & western hegemony.

I think it's a bit too late to worry about that.

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