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Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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I understand why websites need to use captcha. I do not understand why websites that have user accounts cannot offer the option of 2FA TOTP, or even SMS login to avoid captcha. Hilton.com is a big annoyance.

SMS is expensive.

TOTP is free, and can simply be made an option to avoid CAPTCHA.

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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The photos just look like normal unedited photos of reality. And I suspect that’s the issue. We are becoming accustomed to Instagram style photos depicting a perfect life style with highly exposed and saturated color grading. A raw photo of a street on an overcast day is “depressing” only by relative comparison.

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

#83

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I understand why websites need to use captcha. I do not understand why websites that have user accounts cannot offer the option of 2FA TOTP, or even SMS login to avoid captcha. Hilton.com is a big annoyance.

A bot can trivially generate TOTP tokens from a shared secret and receive/process incoming SMS to extract the code.

Then use the fact that I am a paying customer of Hilton’s for years to mark my account as a human. I have the Hilton credit card, I am a Diamond member, what else do they want?

I know why they force me though, I use content blockers on macOS and iOS to block tracking and ads, but that is not a good reason.

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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I've read the whole article, and I see so many comments agreeing or even adding detail to the post. Am I really in the minority if this kind of thing couldn't even cross my mind or feels like written by someone living in a parallel universe? A few poorly shot street photos are "unbearably depressing"? And there's even a detailed explanation breaking it down into points, each one feeling more alien than the last. They…

> I've read the whole article, and I see so many comments agreeing or even adding detail to the post. Am I really in the minority if this kind of thing couldn't even cross my mind or feels like written by someone living in a parallel universe?

> A few poorly shot street photos are "unbearably depressing"? And there's even a detailed explanation breaking it down into points, each one feeling more alien than the last. They're just pictures from the street! Just how? How does a person come up with a whole emotional essay for this?

> I am failing to understand the author to the degree I feel like there's something wrong with this person's psyche or something is wrong with mine. Am I having a stroke and words are no longer making sense? Am I too young, or am I too old at 26 to "get it"? Is it because I live in a third world country and lack perspective or have "too much" of it? Is this homework for an English class and it's just trying to talk about literally anything for a given arbitrary word count? I almost feel like I'm dissociating from reality by an article talking about a freaking captcha.

Double +1. And, thank you - you said it so much better than i ever could.

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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For me a part of the melancholy feeling comes from the indignity of being forced to prove I'm human, and then the frustration at this stupid world we've created which requires me to do so which immediately follows the indignity. A website with captchas is like a retail store with metal detectors; it's not somewhere I feel welcome.

I'd be sort of okay with the general idea of proving I'm not a robot, you know what really rubs me the wrong way? It's how blatantly dishonest and disrespectful it is. Let me explain: google decides if you're human based on the data it has on you, such as your browsing profile and whether you're logged in to your Google account. Therefore it punishes you for trying to have privacy or refusing to use google services,…

Oh yes. There's nothing like doing 3 noisy slow fade captchas correctly only to be failed for unknown reasons and asked to do even more. It's like it's wondering how much free work it can get out of users before they get mad and give up.

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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I've read the whole article, and I see so many comments agreeing or even adding detail to the post. Am I really in the minority if this kind of thing couldn't even cross my mind or feels like written by someone living in a parallel universe? A few poorly shot street photos are "unbearably depressing"? And there's even a detailed explanation breaking it down into points, each one feeling more alien than the last. They…

They’re depressing to me because they are a chore - I don’t think much about them, just as I fail to see the beauty in washing up plates.

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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I've read the whole article, and I see so many comments agreeing or even adding detail to the post. Am I really in the minority if this kind of thing couldn't even cross my mind or feels like written by someone living in a parallel universe? A few poorly shot street photos are "unbearably depressing"? And there's even a detailed explanation breaking it down into points, each one feeling more alien than the last. They…

I think this is a case of hyperawareness/catastrophizing - upon realizing the mindless interruption of CAPTCHAs, the authors have focused so intensely on the minor discomforts of monotonous, poorly composed, poorly shot pictures that the discomfort has grown through hyperbolic focus into a soul-destroying burden.

It's like anaphylaxis - a completely outsized and self-harmful reaction to a minor disturbance.

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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post #17

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Being asked by a machine to prove that you are human is sometimes really humiliating, especially if you fail the captcha a few times in a row.

> Being asked by a machine to prove that you are human is sometimes really humiliating In a quite a few instances, I find it flattering, because it implies "we haven't sucked enough data on you already to know if you are a human, so we need to be sure."

I find it infuriating because it pits me against other people without explaining what the rules are.

If it says "select a sign" and I see there's also a sign far away in the distance only a few pixels in size, I select it because it is a sign. I think most people don't because I frequently get many tests after, because I'm not human enough for them.

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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post #71

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I'd be sort of okay with the general idea of proving I'm not a robot, you know what really rubs me the wrong way? It's how blatantly dishonest and disrespectful it is. Let me explain: google decides if you're human based on the data it has on you, such as your browsing profile and whether you're logged in to your Google account. Therefore it punishes you for trying to have privacy or refusing to use google services,…

Oh yes. There's nothing like doing 3 noisy slow fade captchas correctly only to be failed for unknown reasons and asked to do even more. It's like it's wondering how much free work it can get out of users before they get mad and give up.

A robot would never give up.

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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post #68

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> My solution was to use webcam if available and make people wave hand or some other gesture in order to verify that you are really human. This seems even worse to me. Wave at the camera to prove you are human... This is a whole other level of creepy above depressing captchas. I would not do this, ever.

My solution was all about solving cultural problem of captcha as well as security by that I mean automated bots exploiting and solving captcha en masse. Ofc the service would guarantee you privacy I don't need to keep the video footage of you or the mic footage I would delete it immediately when the captcha task is solved. You would need to trust the service the same like people are trusting logless VPN providers wit…

It's not the security or trust that is even the issue.

Even if the footage was never recorded or deleted instantly after. Even if it was 100% anonymous and 100% guaranteed secure, it still feels like some creepy dystopian nightmare.

A system like this means we've catastrophically failed with technology. It's too dehumanizing. At this point, burn it all to the ground, we're done.

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