After DeepMind’s cofounder was placed on leave for bullying, Google promoted him

Post by nitrogen » Sat, Aug 07, 2021, 9:20 PM UTC

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The complaints in the article sound ridiculous. He wrote "the F* word" in an email? He fired people? He sometimes got angry? Maybe he just is a human being. People seem to feel entitled to godlike father figures as bosses now, who pamper them all the way in their comfy 9 to 5 jobs? Not saying you should scream at your employees, but humans can get angry and in general are not perfect. If it is too much for you, quit.…

Toxic work environments are just a breeding ground for lawsuits and expose anyways

Post by Shindi » Sat, Aug 07, 2021, 9:24 PM UTC

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I see a lot of people saying this seems not a big deal, or that his leadership deserved promotion. It’s because this is a second order article. The original, most substantive source that I could find is quite thorough: https://archive.is/wqdkF > "He would ask us to do personal things for him," one of these people said. "He said, 'I need you to write a briefing for me on Russian history and politics.' [...] We had abs…

The complaints in the article sound ridiculous. He wrote "the F* word" in an email? He fired people? He sometimes got angry? Maybe he just is a human being. People seem to feel entitled to godlike father figures as bosses now, who pamper them all the way in their comfy 9 to 5 jobs? Not saying you should scream at your employees, but humans can get angry and in general are not perfect. If it is too much for you, quit.…

Post by pyuser583 » Sat, Aug 07, 2021, 9:28 PM UTC

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Only 1.3 percent of students drop out of Oxford, versus 7.4 percent for the UK. https://www.ox.ac.uk/about/facts-and-figures/full-version-fa... Not at all like America where only 1/3 graduate.

In elite schools [edit: that are as elite as] Oxford, the drop out rate would be close to Oxford's. The US numbers are pretty skewed by the massive drop out rate in 2-year community colleges, which both admit huge numbers of people and have very high dropout rates. Also, a huge percentage of dropouts are in the first year, when people are deciding that college may not work for them or be the right fit.

Post by gigatexal » Sat, Aug 07, 2021, 9:29 PM UTC

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The fact that we are having this conversation. And if engineering wants to grow past its problems it has got to change. (edit: the previous part of this disparaged those on the spectrum and I am sorry)

Can we not imply that "on the spectrum" means being an asshole? Autism causes a lot of social difficulties, but it has nothing to do with publicly humiliating people on purpose to make yourself feel powerful.

Post by ptero » Sat, Aug 07, 2021, 9:30 PM UTC

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Demanding random, pointless tasks from subordinates is a bad sign, but the Russia example might not be one of those. If a boss needs information s/he can ask a subordinate to make a brief. Sometimes the reasoning behind the important request is not clear to the subordinate and it might seem pointless. A good boss would generally explain, but failing to do it is still very very far from bullying (plus, some important…

Well, I write software. If you randomly ask me to write a brief history of Japanese factories, I’m going to be like wtf. You’re going to have to explain yourself. I won’t do it for the Elongated Muskrat himself.