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NASA is looking for people who want to spend a year simulating a mission on Mars

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Re: NASA is looking for people who want to spend a year simulating a mission on Mars

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Why does it need to be windowless? You could have windows looking out at arid landscapes of Mars. You'd see sunsets, sunrises, highnoon, etc. You could even see the local "weather".

>Why does it need to be windowless? Radiation? or to train for space travel where you have no landscape or sunrises

But no atmosphere either, thus galaxies and nebula visible to the bare eye, apart from countless stars.

Re: NASA is looking for people who want to spend a year simulating a mission on Mars

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On Mars you have to deal with radiation because there is no magnetic field. The most realistic way to do that in early missions is by putting rock between the habitation module and the sky, either by burying it in regolith or by putting it in natural lava tubes. Either option makes windows difficult. If this experiment shows that windows are vital, I'm sure there are ways to make it work. But otherwise windows are an…

I've often thought that wall-sized retina monitors would be wonderful. People can travel the world this way without ever leaving the room. But it might work even with the large TV monitors today. Just put a camera where the nice view is, and pipe it in to the screen.

But not smell it. Neither feel it. For instance the moments where temperature, moisture, dew point make it 'just right/silken air'.

Re: NASA is looking for people who want to spend a year simulating a mission on Mars

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Better source: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-is-recruiting-for-yearlong... To qualify, you must be: * A U.S. citizen or permanent resident. * A non-smoker, age 30 to 55 years old, and proficient in English. * A viable candidate as an actual astronaut. For this, you usually need a master's degree in a STEM field, or you need to be a pilot or doctor or military officer.

Every time they run one of these similations they ignore the common realworld analogue: sailors. All around the world are tiny communities of mostly men living inside metal boxes for months or years at a time. Historic voyages regularly lasted even longer than the proposed mars missions, and where much more dangerous. Astronaughts could learn much from common sailors.

It doesn't seem like they ignore it. Sailors might be a decent analogue for astronauts while isolated within a space vessel, but that's not what this experiment is. NASA wants to research the environment while on a Martian surface mission, including doing stuff like suiting up in spacesuits to go do work outside, deal with communication delays, and having research responsibilities.

It's somewhat similar to being confined on a sailing ship, but is still different, and the minute details really matter for something like this.

Re: NASA is looking for people who want to spend a year simulating a mission on Mars

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Not being able to go to your favorite cafe / restaurant as frequently != being confined in a windowless structure

Why does it need to be windowless? You could have windows looking out at arid landscapes of Mars. You'd see sunsets, sunrises, highnoon, etc. You could even see the local "weather".

There is even radiaton hardened glas, i just looked it up.

https://www.schott.com/advanced_optics/english/products/opti...

Would have a tint though.

Re: NASA is looking for people who want to spend a year simulating a mission on Mars

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>Why does it need to be windowless? Radiation? or to train for space travel where you have no landscape or sunrises

But no atmosphere either, thus galaxies and nebula visible to the bare eye, apart from countless stars.

That's not exactly how that works. The light from galaxies and other Deep Sky Objects (DSOs) are too faint for the human eye. Only with much more sensitive electronic chips or the longer accumulation of photons from long exposures do we get to see these DSOs. Also, a lot of these DSOs are hidden out of the visible light spectrum.

So if the earth was to suddenly lose its atmosphere today, we wouldn't be seeing DSOs tonight. However, the stars and stuff we can see would suddenly stop twinkling.

Re: NASA is looking for people who want to spend a year simulating a mission on Mars

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I get that, I'm just saying why does it need to not have windows?

Mars doesn't have an ionosphere. Windows run in direct opposition to radiation shielding.

That's why we're going to need to build a portable mini magnetic shield. It might not be planet sized, but imagine having the auroras just out of reach. Plus, being able to say "Raise the shields" and it not be just a line in a movie would be cool on its own accord.

Re: NASA is looking for people who want to spend a year simulating a mission on Mars

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You can even take it a step further to the subset of sailors that operate on submarines.

Military is different. Those are much larger crews and dont spend as much time at sea, generally only a few months at a time.

Depends on your military, I guess. I know in the U.K. 9 months isn’t an unusual deployment for a submariner, and a few months underwater isn’t unusual either.

Isolation is pretty much their number one challenge. Machines are easier to keep running than minds.

Re: NASA is looking for people who want to spend a year simulating a mission on Mars

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Not being able to go to your favorite cafe / restaurant as frequently != being confined in a windowless structure

Why does it need to be windowless? You could have windows looking out at arid landscapes of Mars. You'd see sunsets, sunrises, highnoon, etc. You could even see the local "weather".

Because there is no possibility of sending windows to Mars for a hypothetical first base there. It would be far too expensive, and given the already extreme difficulty of such a mission, it would be a huge luxury.

Re: NASA is looking for people who want to spend a year simulating a mission on Mars

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Better source: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-is-recruiting-for-yearlong... To qualify, you must be: * A U.S. citizen or permanent resident. * A non-smoker, age 30 to 55 years old, and proficient in English. * A viable candidate as an actual astronaut. For this, you usually need a master's degree in a STEM field, or you need to be a pilot or doctor or military officer.

You must also pass the medical screening, which prohibits a laundry list of common medications: - blood pressure medications - blood thinners - seizure medications - daily allergy medications - diabetic insulin daily - sleeping aids - ADHD/ADD medications - antidepressants - anxiety medications (Insert grumbling about "flight surgeon horseshit" here.)

I don't think my seasonal allergies are going to be a problem in space.

Re: NASA is looking for people who want to spend a year simulating a mission on Mars

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I don't see anything about compensation. How much do they pay? Considering the requirements they should very pay well for something like this.

I'm guessing that compensation is no better than it would be for astronauts (GS-13 or so, around $100k)
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