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What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?

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Re: What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?

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> It reminds me of Joe Rogans bit about how in order to buy this harmless plant you have to interact with a criminal. Oh, and commit a crime. Legalization is 100% the right thing. I'm all for legalization but that's just a really bad take. The whole point with it being criminalized is that you SHOULDN'T buy the plant. Anyone pro criminalization would also probably not call it "harmless". Making it inconvenient and il…

I think most people pro criminalization simply want to control others. There is objectively far more damage caused by alcohol and I have yet to meet anyone that wants to criminalize cannabis and alcohol.

Go to Utah sometime.

Re: What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?

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A billion grams. A million kilograms. A thousand tonnes. …one kilotonne?

A thousand tonnes is ambiguous because you cannot know if it's metric tonnes or not. A billion grams is unambiguous, because a billion prefix for the regular reader would mean pretty much the same as infinity. The 0.0000001 as the multiplier after billion prefix doesn't discount that, because you still have to read the billion out loud.

Isn't a "tonne" always 1000kg, while they only would have to disambiguate if they had written "ton"?

Edit: yes, seems to be like that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonne

Re: What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?

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Weed being legal is cool (and a huge deal and way overdue) but, until I moved to SF, I still bought from a dealer. It was cheaper and I got really high quality stuff, got to give feedback to the guy on the strains, chocolates, etc. Plus my guy would smoke me up for free a good amount of the time and we'd just chill and chat for a bit. Legal weed is wayyyy more expensive in my experience and I dislike the experience.…

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Re: What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?

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post #64

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> Surely if you want to keep your country fed, you'd want to go after the staples like potatoes or grain? Canada is extremely competitive on grain and potatoes (and lentils and oilseeds and ...). Supply management isn't needed if we're already competitive exporters of a given product.

>Supply management isn't needed if we're already competitive exporters of a given product. sounds more like the real goal is protectionism rather than "having a stable supply of food"

Yes, protecting important food suppliers from some foreign competition to ensure a stable supply of food is protectionism.

Re: What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?

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post #50

Weed being legal is cool (and a huge deal and way overdue) but, until I moved to SF, I still bought from a dealer. It was cheaper and I got really high quality stuff, got to give feedback to the guy on the strains, chocolates, etc. Plus my guy would smoke me up for free a good amount of the time and we'd just chill and chat for a bit. Legal weed is wayyyy more expensive in my experience and I dislike the experience.…

When it was legalized in Canada, the legal prices were pretty bad. There were also restrictions on only allowing the sale of flower (ie no edibles or concentrates IIRC). Since then, the government has pulled up their socks. The prices are competitive, the quality is fantastic, and the doses are accurate (as opposed to a “300mg edible” actually having anywhere from 50-500mg THC). As a result, I don’t know anyone who d…

I've been kicking this idea around in my noodle since judgement Day passed: a business like a local wine u-brew, where you come rent a stall in my warehouse and we grow your weed for you, in your name. When it's time to harvest, you can either take it home damp and dry it yourself or pay for us to cure it for you. Secure, safe, convenient.

I can currently easily grow a (reasonable) year's supply for someone within the legal 2-plant limit, this just takes all the pains and theft-risk away from the end user (mom and pop Canadian backyard growers)

Pretty sure this would be highly illegal under the current laws, but I'm old enough to remember when homebrew was illegal in Canada, too.

Re: What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When it was legalized in Canada, the legal prices were pretty bad. There were also restrictions on only allowing the sale of flower (ie no edibles or concentrates IIRC). Since then, the government has pulled up their socks. The prices are competitive, the quality is fantastic, and the doses are accurate (as opposed to a “300mg edible” actually having anywhere from 50-500mg THC). As a result, I don’t know anyone who d…

I've been kicking this idea around in my noodle since judgement Day passed: a business like a local wine u-brew, where you come rent a stall in my warehouse and we grow your weed for you, in your name. When it's time to harvest, you can either take it home damp and dry it yourself or pay for us to cure it for you. Secure, safe, convenient. I can currently easily grow a (reasonable) year's supply for someone within th…

just set up streaming webcams :D

https://www.twitch.tv/ashevillecraftcannabis

https://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Always%20On

Re: What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?

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post #63

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That poll says 74% of canadians either don't want supply management changed during nafta renegotiations, or it could be changed but only as a last resort? That sounds like pretty high support. edit: The later questions are misleading - they ask if people would rather buy supply managed dairy at 2.25/L or no-supply-managed dairy at 1.50/L. Meanwhile I go to the grocery store and buy supply managed dairy at 1.23/L ever…

>That sounds like pretty high support. That's one way of spinning it. The other replies paint a different picture. Specifically: 1. https://i0.wp.com/angusreid.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/S... most people prefer the non-supply managed products, taking into account the pros/cons . (emphasis mine) 2. https://i1.wp.com/angusreid.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/S... only ~40% "support" it, so concluding that "most of u…

> most people prefer the non-supply managed products, taking into account the pros/cons.

I don't think they pros/cons they listed (i.e. price differences) are reflective of reality. Specifically, they list milk as $2.25/L, citing statscan as a source. This is $9 per 4L bag, an absurd price outside of the Territories. Reviewing the actual statscan data source [1], milk prices have been very stable at $1.25 to $1.37 per liter as long as they're been recording data. So I don't know where $2.25 came from. The second source they listed is crowdsourced and refers to milk costs as $0.62 per 0.25L which might be accurate if you're buying a 250ml or 500ml carton with your lunch ... but not if you're buying a larger quantity to take home (and to make useful economic comparisons with).

> only ~40% "support" it, so concluding that "most of us are very happy to support supply management" is a stretch.

That's firmly in Majority territory when it comes to Canadian politics :). There's a reason even the conservative party (the only political affiliation with more people opposed to supply management than supporting it) will not touch the issue.

The most interesting data in that study was the age-based breakdown - younger respondents were much more likely to support supply management, apparently.

[1] https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=181000...

Re: What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When it was legalized in Canada, the legal prices were pretty bad. There were also restrictions on only allowing the sale of flower (ie no edibles or concentrates IIRC). Since then, the government has pulled up their socks. The prices are competitive, the quality is fantastic, and the doses are accurate (as opposed to a “300mg edible” actually having anywhere from 50-500mg THC). As a result, I don’t know anyone who d…

I've been kicking this idea around in my noodle since judgement Day passed: a business like a local wine u-brew, where you come rent a stall in my warehouse and we grow your weed for you, in your name. When it's time to harvest, you can either take it home damp and dry it yourself or pay for us to cure it for you. Secure, safe, convenient. I can currently easily grow a (reasonable) year's supply for someone within th…

I believe a company named “True Leaf” (“TruLeaf”?) in the town of Lumby, BC, is doing exactly that.

Re: What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?

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Process it into commodity cannabis compounds (THC, CDB, etc) and lower the prices to fair and reasonable. The Canadian cannabis market is regulated by idiots for the benefit of companies, and the consumers are taken advantage of.

It seems that they've managed to set things up in such a way that it's actually more profitable to destroy the cannabis than process it. Reminds me of the neoliberal take on housing and healthcare.

Not just housing but even more so commercial and industrial facilities where property taxes give great incentive for scorched-earth demolition in response to only nominal downturns in occupancy or utilization.

Always with less than one-year deadlines before reassessment since these are recurring taxes, one of their most destructive features.

Regardless of how many nearby citizens are homeless, jobless, and/or capable of operating a prosperous small cannabis farm if they could freely grow & sell their fresh product at the local farmers' market with no different regulation or taxes than the other crops.

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