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What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?

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Re: What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?

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post #54

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And most of us are very happy to support supply management! "Cartel" has very negative connotations. The issues in this article are also entirely different. edit: you forgot to mention our nefarious healthcare cartel!

>And most of us are very happy to support supply management Is it? This poll seems to say otherwise: https://angusreid.org/supply-management-nafta-renegotiation/

That poll says 74% of canadians either don't want supply management changed during nafta renegotiations, or it could be changed but only as a last resort? That sounds like pretty high support.

edit: The later questions are misleading - they ask if people would rather buy supply managed dairy at 2.25/L or no-supply-managed dairy at 1.50/L. Meanwhile I go to the grocery store and buy supply managed dairy at 1.23/L every week. Pointing out that people would buy a cheaper product isn't really groundbreaking research...

Re: What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?

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post #60

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> The oil industry seems pretty important as well. Not nearly as important as food; the only thing as important as the food supply is our supply of drinking water. Nothing else is comparably important, so you're wasting your time trying to find analogies. And the instability historically see in the oil industry is precisely what sane people want to avoid in the food supply.

>Not nearly as important as food; the only thing as important as the food supply is our supply of drinking water. Nothing else is comparably important, so you're wasting your time trying to find analogies. Guess what modern agriculture (tractors, fertilizers, pesticides) runs off of? Furthermore, if food security really is important, why is only dairy and egg supply managed? Surely if you want to keep your country fe…

> Surely if you want to keep your country fed, you'd want to go after the staples like potatoes or grain?

Canada is extremely competitive on grain and potatoes (and lentils and oilseeds and ...). Supply management isn't needed if we're already competitive exporters of a given product.

Re: What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>And most of us are very happy to support supply management Is it? This poll seems to say otherwise: https://angusreid.org/supply-management-nafta-renegotiation/

That poll says 74% of canadians either don't want supply management changed during nafta renegotiations, or it could be changed but only as a last resort? That sounds like pretty high support. edit: The later questions are misleading - they ask if people would rather buy supply managed dairy at 2.25/L or no-supply-managed dairy at 1.50/L. Meanwhile I go to the grocery store and buy supply managed dairy at 1.23/L ever…

>That sounds like pretty high support.

That's one way of spinning it. The other replies paint a different picture. Specifically:

1. https://i0.wp.com/angusreid.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/S... most people prefer the non-supply managed products, taking into account the pros/cons. (emphasis mine)

2. https://i1.wp.com/angusreid.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/S... only ~40% "support" it, so concluding that "most of us are very happy to support supply management" is a stretch.

Re: What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?

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post #60

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>Not nearly as important as food; the only thing as important as the food supply is our supply of drinking water. Nothing else is comparably important, so you're wasting your time trying to find analogies. Guess what modern agriculture (tractors, fertilizers, pesticides) runs off of? Furthermore, if food security really is important, why is only dairy and egg supply managed? Surely if you want to keep your country fe…

> Surely if you want to keep your country fed, you'd want to go after the staples like potatoes or grain? Canada is extremely competitive on grain and potatoes (and lentils and oilseeds and ...). Supply management isn't needed if we're already competitive exporters of a given product.

>Supply management isn't needed if we're already competitive exporters of a given product.

sounds more like the real goal is protectionism rather than "having a stable supply of food"

Re: What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The oil industry seems pretty important as well. Not nearly as important as food; the only thing as important as the food supply is our supply of drinking water. Nothing else is comparably important, so you're wasting your time trying to find analogies. And the instability historically see in the oil industry is precisely what sane people want to avoid in the food supply.

>Not nearly as important as food; the only thing as important as the food supply is our supply of drinking water. Nothing else is comparably important, so you're wasting your time trying to find analogies. Guess what modern agriculture (tractors, fertilizers, pesticides) runs off of? Furthermore, if food security really is important, why is only dairy and egg supply managed? Surely if you want to keep your country fe…

Supporting the entire food industry keeps the entire food supply secure. Shortages in one sector will raise prices in another. Libertarian madness is not a sensible way to run a country. Not even America is that crazy.

Re: What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?

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Not everyone was lucky enough to have a chill dealer. It reminds me of joe Rogans bit about how in order to buy this harmless plant you have to interact with a criminal. Oh, and commit a crime. Legalization is 100% the right thing. You can grow it yourself or get it delivered if you hate the dispensary so much.

> It reminds me of Joe Rogans bit about how in order to buy this harmless plant you have to interact with a criminal. Oh, and commit a crime. Legalization is 100% the right thing. I'm all for legalization but that's just a really bad take. The whole point with it being criminalized is that you SHOULDN'T buy the plant. Anyone pro criminalization would also probably not call it "harmless". Making it inconvenient and il…

I think most people pro criminalization simply want to control others. There is objectively far more damage caused by alcohol and I have yet to meet anyone that wants to criminalize cannabis and alcohol.

Re: What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?

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A bit off topic, but for the smokers here what are your thoughts on lung cancer and other negatives associated with smoking? I bought a vaporizer but not sure it is actually healthier than smoking joints. Tried edibles but can’t stand the lack of uniformity and time to kick in.

Re: What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?

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This was easy to predict. Anyone who's been in the industry knows that there is not only not enough demand, but it is also seasonal. Other than the heaviest users, people don't consume 365 days out of the year, they go through phases. If you grow weed year round in high tech facilities that maximize production, you're going to just have massive piles of it that you cannot unload. Making it legal didn't really create…

I sort of question the framing here? Not yours, but the article's. There is exactly enough demand, because however much people want of a mostly harmless plant is how much people should want of that plant. Nobody turning a profit should be no surprise: farmers barely turn a profit either, because selling commodities is not a means of getting rich quick. Considering how low-risk buying pot was before legalization, it b…

As a culture, we over produce, under consume and just throw the rest away. Ever looked into the dumpsters behind super markets?

I may have known a grower who would always struggle with the seasons. Indoor growing is year round, but the outdoor stuff is what everyone wants. So every time the outdoor harvests would happen, it was nearly impossible to sell the indoor stuff.

So now you combine massive indoor with massive outdoor and year round production... and a customer base that is also trained to be seasonal (wait to stock up on the best stuff when it is available)... total recipe for failure.

Needless to say, my grower friend saw the writing on the wall and exited the business before things became legal. It was really too bad, their multi-year cultured strain was excellent and no longer exists now.

Re: What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?

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This was easy to predict. Anyone who's been in the industry knows that there is not only not enough demand, but it is also seasonal. Other than the heaviest users, people don't consume 365 days out of the year, they go through phases. If you grow weed year round in high tech facilities that maximize production, you're going to just have massive piles of it that you cannot unload. Making it legal didn't really create…

> There are more weed shops than gas stations... and the gas stations usually have one right next door anyway. In Washington state [or just Seattle? I'm not sure], there are laws restricting how many square feet the signage for a weed store is allowed to have. In response to this, weed stores devised a trick where they buy up neighboring businesses and run them under the same brand name as the weed store, with very l…

It'll be interesting to see what happens to the secondary business when the primary fails and Bubba realizes he doesn't want to run a car wash...

Re: What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?

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> A recent survey conducted by Abacus Data for Medical Cannabis Canada found that those who access medical cannabis legally pay on average 34 percent more for their medicine than if they bought from the unregulated market. I’m unfamiliar with the weed market in general, but it seems like this problem is self-inflicted. They’re simultaneously oversupplied and overpriced. Lower prices and both problems sort themselves…

> I’m unfamiliar with the weed market in general, but it seems like this problem is self-inflicted.

>I hope we can all agree that over-consumption is not good.

The following is for the purpose of conversation only, food for thought if you will, and does not constitute any sort of condonement or endorsement, tacit or otherwise, of the use of cannabis products. Tread with extreme caution if you have any personal or family history of schizophrenia or schizotypical personality disorder as their is rather strong evidence that cannabis can have particularly profound effects on this group. Everybody reacts differently to different psychoactive substances, you only have one brain and one body, and treat them as your greatest asset:

What is the “over consumption” of weed? Unfortunately we really don’t have much reliable data on marijuana consumption, that I’m aware of anyway, and the longitudinal studies that do exist are from institutions with an obvious agenda, the National Institute on Drug Abuse being chief among them[1], and there was a ban on marijuana research until 2015 [2]. NORML has a pretty comprehensive overview of what data we do have with context of other substances.[3] Another good, more traditional take, is this review in the Indian Journal of Psychiatry[4]. The biggest problem I see with most of the data is that, for obvious ethical reasons, all the marijuana users are self-selected, I’m personally of the belief that many people who consume cannabis, especially into adulthood, are self medicating, and as [4] suggests this may have a lasting effect on their psychiatric outcomes.

I don’t know how much experience you (or other readers) have with weed or drugs in general, but I have decades of experience (with sometimes lengthy breaks) of what by most definitions is “heavy” use, and know some extremely heavy (i.e. nearly constant) users who are also extremely capable. Before I delve further, I’d like to stop (again) and point out that I’m not trying to focus on the exceptional here, but I feel in the context of recreational drug use, it is important to look at the whole spread of users.

Most of the following is anecdata: One interesting thing about cannabis use that I wanted to highlight for non-users in the context of “over-consumption” is that a very common sentiment among long-term chronic (pun intended) users, is that you develop a sort of “permanent tolerance”, even if such a user has a long period of abstinence, upon recommencing use they will rapidly return to their previous state of tolerance—-a (lower) level of efficacy that might have taken years of use to get too will return in a matter of days/weeks. This seems particularly pronounced in cannabis relative to other psychoactive compounds. I would, based on my experiences and those of all the (hundreds of) people I’ve met and had frank discussions with about their use, rate weed on a “problematicness scale” between coffee and alcohol, but much closer to coffee. Their is a component to cannabis use that it was[5] seen as something of an act of rebellion, and that people who are past the “teenage rebellion” stage tend to self moderate similarly to coffee drinkers—-many of whom have a cup in the morning with the spectrum going all the way to people who drink coffee all day. I say its closer to coffee than alcohol because if someone is an alcoholic, and drinks all day, it will absolutely be noticeable to most people around them, and have an obvious and severe effect on their health. Conversely, I’ve known near constant weed users who were able to keep their use a secret from their family, employer and colleagues, were in athletic clubs and in some case on the extreme end of physical fitness. I’ve yet to meet someone who drinks all day and is otherwise extremely healthy, but I definitely don’t feel I have enough data to make any claims one way or the other about physical fitness. Overall though, I think the jury is still out about how harmful cannabis consumption is, especially if taken independently from smoking, and one of the best things about legalization movement, in my opinion, is that its given users much healthier alternatives to smoking, gummies are great!

[1] https://www.drugabuse.gov/news-events/nida-notes/2018/02/lon...

[2] https://www.marijuanatimes.org/medical-marijuana-research-ba...

[3] https://norml.org/marijuana/library/cannabis-mental-health-a...

[4]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3221171/#ref47

[5] https://archives.drugabuse.gov/news-events/news-releases/201...

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