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US unleashes B-52s in bid to stem Taliban advance

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Re: US unleashes B-52s in bid to stem Taliban advance

#11

The article describes the Afghan Air Force as struggling. But they literally don’t have anything close to a B-52 in their fleet, in fact they have no bombers at all.

From many other articles I’ve read, “struggling” refers to an inability to manage even rudimentary maintenance of their existing fleet or deploy what they have effectively. Note that the Taliban don’t have an air force at all.

Re: US unleashes B-52s in bid to stem Taliban advance

#12
The Taliban regime is going to be hostile to women. It'll be a return to violence, executions, and feudalism. Yet I see a lot of liberals that have no problem with a Taliban takeover and would rather see a US withdrawal.

I'm a liberal person, but I think Taliban takeover is a horrific outcome. What's the argument / angle here?

Furthermore, it seems to open the geopolitical sphere for China to step into the vacuum. It gives them more people to sell to, and a broader Belt and Road. It's strategic for their exports, too. That seems to not be in the interest of the United States.

Also, US troops in Afghanistan are positioned close to the Chinese border, which seems like a thing the US would want in order to apply pressure.

What's going on? I don't understand the withdrawal at all.

Re: US unleashes B-52s in bid to stem Taliban advance

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post #3

The unrelenting Taliban aggression into Afghanistan, the ancestral heartland of the United States which Americans have inhabited for millennia, is outrageous. They should go back to their own country, IMO.

You realize that the Afghan people by and large do not want Taliban rule, right? Very few want to be ruled by a violent, oppressive theocracy. Personally I would like the US to leave Afghanistan as well, but I have sympathy for the people who may have to suffer Taliban rule. Ideally the international or at least regional community would step in.

Step in and do what? Occupy the country indefinitely? How many decades will it take for Afghanistan to stop being Afghanistan?

Re: US unleashes B-52s in bid to stem Taliban advance

#16

You already pulled out. Just give it up.

Except that there are still something like 300 marines in Kabul.

And they'll remain until the State Department gets scared and leaves. BTW I spent almost two years in Kabul and was friends with the Marines at the embassy there at the time.

Re: US unleashes B-52s in bid to stem Taliban advance

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post #3

The unrelenting Taliban aggression into Afghanistan, the ancestral heartland of the United States which Americans have inhabited for millennia, is outrageous. They should go back to their own country, IMO.

You realize that the Afghan people by and large do not want Taliban rule, right? Very few want to be ruled by a violent, oppressive theocracy. Personally I would like the US to leave Afghanistan as well, but I have sympathy for the people who may have to suffer Taliban rule. Ideally the international or at least regional community would step in.

I agree, my brother! The idea that these Muslims could govern themselves leaves me in tears of laughter and what they really need to sort them out is an American colonial presence. This failed 20 year US strategy can only work out great in the long term for the people of Afghanistan!

... and without the dripping sarcasm, in all seriousness, the US has been destabilising the Middle East for decades and will happily overthrow any government, people's choice or otherwise. The only justice in this situation is eventually it might bankrupt the American taxpayer as payback for their inability to get the militant lunatics out of government.

Re: US unleashes B-52s in bid to stem Taliban advance

#18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You realize that the Afghan people by and large do not want Taliban rule, right? Very few want to be ruled by a violent, oppressive theocracy. Personally I would like the US to leave Afghanistan as well, but I have sympathy for the people who may have to suffer Taliban rule. Ideally the international or at least regional community would step in.

Step in and do what? Occupy the country indefinitely? How many decades will it take for Afghanistan to stop being Afghanistan?

Why not? Americans haven't been engaged in ground combat operations for years now outside of special forces. They were just providing the weapons, logistics, training, and air power to contain the Taliban.

That seems reasonably sustainable. Make it into South Korea with airstrikes.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that there are still something like 300 marines in Kabul.

And they'll remain until the State Department gets scared and leaves. BTW I spent almost two years in Kabul and was friends with the Marines at the embassy there at the time.

You seem knowledgeable on the topic and have firsthand experience. Would you mind answering some of my questions here [1]? I'm genuinely curious.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28099710

Re: US unleashes B-52s in bid to stem Taliban advance

#20
post #9

AFAIK the Afghan commanders stole their soldiers pay so the soldiers sold their weapons to the Taliban. The Taliban taking it back over seems like a natural consequence.

I think a lot of that wage theft was actually from soldiers that didn't exist: upwards of 100,000 on the roles that can't be accounted for. As for the Afghan equipment that has ended up in Taliban hands, that appears to be the result of the Taliban capturing it. That is happening sometimes even without a fight as Afghan soldiers believe they're being abandoned by the US to an impossible fight.

Either way, a significant amount of Taliban weaponry was provided by Russia.

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