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What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?

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Re: What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?

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A billion grams. A million kilograms. A thousand tonnes. …one kilotonne?

A thousand tonnes is ambiguous because you cannot know if it's metric tonnes or not.

A billion grams is unambiguous, because a billion prefix for the regular reader would mean pretty much the same as infinity. The 0.0000001 as the multiplier after billion prefix doesn't discount that, because you still have to read the billion out loud.

Re: What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?

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Weed being legal is cool (and a huge deal and way overdue) but, until I moved to SF, I still bought from a dealer. It was cheaper and I got really high quality stuff, got to give feedback to the guy on the strains, chocolates, etc. Plus my guy would smoke me up for free a good amount of the time and we'd just chill and chat for a bit. Legal weed is wayyyy more expensive in my experience and I dislike the experience.…

Not everyone was lucky enough to have a chill dealer. It reminds me of joe Rogans bit about how in order to buy this harmless plant you have to interact with a criminal. Oh, and commit a crime. Legalization is 100% the right thing. You can grow it yourself or get it delivered if you hate the dispensary so much.

Very first sentence is me saying legalization is great and overdue. Feels like it shouldn't be a huge ask that people read the first sentence.

Re: What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?

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Weed being legal is cool (and a huge deal and way overdue) but, until I moved to SF, I still bought from a dealer. It was cheaper and I got really high quality stuff, got to give feedback to the guy on the strains, chocolates, etc. Plus my guy would smoke me up for free a good amount of the time and we'd just chill and chat for a bit. Legal weed is wayyyy more expensive in my experience and I dislike the experience.…

Here in the Netherlands tax for weed is really high. 50% if I recall correctly. Not sure I hate the idea -- at least tax money is put to very good use. But for those for whom it's more than merely recreational (e.g.: medicinal use), I wish they'd sell a tax-free version. Too prone to abuse I guess. However, heading to a coffeshop[1] isn't a big deal. It's a person behind the stand, you pic what you want from a menu,…

I'm not sure on the 50%. I didn't even know there was a separate tax. It seems unlikely to me as weed is still 'illegal'. The police won't look your way if you use it or sell it in shops. But everything that happens before the shop (growing and transport) is still very much illegal and you will get a big fine if you get caught. You are only allowed to have 5 grams or a small amount of plants.

The government together with a few selected municipalities is starting an experiment to grow it in selected growing facilities. As far as I know no municipality has started selling those yet.

Re: What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?

#34

Process it into commodity cannabis compounds (THC, CDB, etc) and lower the prices to fair and reasonable. The Canadian cannabis market is regulated by idiots for the benefit of companies, and the consumers are taken advantage of.

One problem with processing it is that there are very low limits on dosages of edibles in Canada (currently 10mg THC per serving). I think lifting this absurd restriction would help enable those ideas.

See here https://www.change.org/p/remove-the-10mg-thc-limit-on-edible...

Re: What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?

#35

Weed being legal is cool (and a huge deal and way overdue) but, until I moved to SF, I still bought from a dealer. It was cheaper and I got really high quality stuff, got to give feedback to the guy on the strains, chocolates, etc. Plus my guy would smoke me up for free a good amount of the time and we'd just chill and chat for a bit. Legal weed is wayyyy more expensive in my experience and I dislike the experience.…

I hated the 'dealers system'. I didn't want to give some lowlife drug-dealer my address, nor my phone number. Neither was the idea of meeting such a person in a parking lot somewhere appealling to me at all. Consequently, I virtually never smoked weed at all until it became legally available in stores, except at parties where somebody else had it. Two or three times I bought from a dealer, and each time it confirmed all my biases about the experience.

Re: What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?

#37
This was easy to predict.

Anyone who's been in the industry knows that there is not only not enough demand, but it is also seasonal. Other than the heaviest users, people don't consume 365 days out of the year, they go through phases.

If you grow weed year round in high tech facilities that maximize production, you're going to just have massive piles of it that you cannot unload.

Making it legal didn't really create that much more demand because it was already easy enough to get in most places where there were enough consumers.

I drove through Oregon not too long ago. There is literally miles of weed shops right next door to each other. There are more weed shops than gas stations... and the gas stations usually have one right next door anyway. I have no idea how they all stay in business, but it couldn't be good.

Now this is the comparison to tulip mania that kind of works.

Re: What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?

#38
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is really the worst kind of shit. Destroy food so they can charge more, while so many starving people could use that food. I've heard it a million times, but it'll never stop shocking me to here about this idea: Keeping market value up is more important than reducing starvation.

But that happens in the US as well? See all the stories about farmers dumping milk during the pandemic.

I don't think the comment you replied to was saying it's only bad because Canadian. They were stating every time they hear about food being destroyed it pisses them off. Doesn't matter if it is US, Canada or a dictator doing it in front of the people that were hoping to receive it. It's a shit move.

However, let's not forget the logistics of getting the food to locations it was never thought about getting to when it was "made". Farms pretty much know where their food is going to be sold when it comes time for harvest. Food like milk definitely has an expiration factor as well. So if American farmers can't sell their milk normally and have never tried to arrange for it to be sold elsewhere, getting it to elsewhere before expiration isn't as easy as one might think.

Re: What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?

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This was easy to predict. Anyone who's been in the industry knows that there is not only not enough demand, but it is also seasonal. Other than the heaviest users, people don't consume 365 days out of the year, they go through phases. If you grow weed year round in high tech facilities that maximize production, you're going to just have massive piles of it that you cannot unload. Making it legal didn't really create…

> There are more weed shops than gas stations... and the gas stations usually have one right next door anyway.

In Washington state [or just Seattle? I'm not sure], there are laws restricting how many square feet the signage for a weed store is allowed to have. In response to this, weed stores devised a trick where they buy up neighboring businesses and run them under the same brand name as the weed store, with very large signs. So next to "Bubba's weed store" with small signs, you have "Bubba's Car Wash" with very large signs. Anybody looking for Bubba's weed will see the huge sign for Bubba's car wash, and know they found the right spot.

Re: What do you do with a billion grams of surplus weed?

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> A recent survey conducted by Abacus Data for Medical Cannabis Canada found that those who access medical cannabis legally pay on average 34 percent more for their medicine than if they bought from the unregulated market. I’m unfamiliar with the weed market in general, but it seems like this problem is self-inflicted. They’re simultaneously oversupplied and overpriced. Lower prices and both problems sort themselves…

> those who access medical cannabis legally pay on average 34 percent more for their medicine than if they bought from the unregulated market.

I mean, that’s true with most things isn’t it? If you buy meat from the dodgy guy in a pub then it’s cheaper. Bloke selling televisions from a van? Cheaper. Cigarettes from a corner store that have been imported from a low tax country? Cheaper. Getting the electric/gas done in your house from someone who is unlicensed? Cheaper.

Not sure why we would expect this to be different.

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