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An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

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Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

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Post by easygenes »

feanaro wrote: post #214
kilburn wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it does not seem a reasonable price to you, but for people who don't know, the HiFive Unmatched [1] sells for 679$ [2]. This is the most powerful RISC-V platform you can buy today. It comes as a Mini-ITX board including 16Gb of DDR4 ram, 1Gbps ethernet, usb 3.2, PCI Express and NVMe. Of course it is less powerful than an x64 machine at the same price point, but it should work reasonably well when paired with an…

I find it weird how none of these links state the CPU frequency prominently (or at least I didn't notice it). Not even the product sheet has it.

1.5GHz for the four high speed cores, by the way.

Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

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Post by fibers »

bArray wrote: post #41

Honestly I'm glad to see a non-insignificant amount of people in tech take this seriously, especially when the goal Apple announces appears to be for the greater good. It can be hard to stand on the side that doesn't immediately appear to be correct. We have already lost so many freedoms for 'national security' and other such blanket terminology. Just be warned, there will be those that unfairly try to cast this as h…

with regards to #1, that is what I did last year when I chose to buy apple since safetynet would mean i would be completely hosed in buying a phone that works with privacy centered custom roms while also using important apps. now that apple is completely breaking user trust where you you possibly think people can 'vote with their feet'? this is a libertarian fantasy other than simply not using smartphones altogether?

Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

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Post by chrisrhoden »

Jenda_ wrote: post #269

Notice, for example, that Thunderbird is sending file names and SHA-256 hashes when you open most (e.g. .pdf) attachments, in the clear, to Google. This seems worse to me (in the Apple case, the information is revealed only if enough files from one device match against a predefined hash list) and nobody really cares... I have just tested with a fresh profile with a freshly downloaded thunderbird-78.12.0.tar.bz2 (x64…

I suspect that if they were strictly bitstream hashes and not perceptual hashes, people would be less concerned.

Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

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Post by OldTimeCoffee »

adventured wrote: post #262
pydry wrote: post #60

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>One thought: is it because over 10, 20, 30+ years the police have been de-funded everywhere Police funding has shot up in America. It's everything else thats been cut. >what’s the problem. There's no problem. It's just a drawn out power grab with a weak pretext.

> Police funding has shot up in America. It's everything else thats been cut. What else in America has been cut? I'd be interested in that very long list (since you're saying that everything else is seeing cuts; the understood meaning being that a very large number of major items are seeing their budgets slashed). The spending data I see year in year out, or across decades, is showing the opposite. Healthcare spendin…

>Healthcare spending has skyrocketed over the last 20-30 years

Aging populations with for profit healthcare will do that.

>US teachers are among the best paid in the world

It's still a comparatively low paying, thankless profession and consistently fails to attract talent because of low pay. Most Engineers, for example, have starting pay similar to a teacher's pay with 15 years of experience. Both jobs require the same level of training and degree (Bachelor's).

>total US government spending is taking more out of the US economy than it ever has,

Government spending is still economic activity. It doesn't 'take money out' of the economy, it contributes to it. It pays workers like any other employer that can then spend that money in the local economies. If your argument is 'government spending is bad' then that's a terrible argument.

Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

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Post by saynay »

rjzzleep wrote: post #256
jkaplowitz wrote: post #236

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In many countries (including the US) there are circumstances where defamation law can create civil or criminal liability for such a claim, but yeah, usually not merely for stating it without certain other things also being true about the situation. Conversely, there are cases in Germany where calling someone a Nazi would not lead to a fine. One very clear example: Person A: [Unambiguously asserts a sincere adherence…

I'm not talking about defamation. I can understand why you would infer that. The fine I'm talking about is about "feeling insulted". There doesn't even have to be a third person present. Say someone treats you in a racist way, you call him Nazi, judge can order you to pay 400 Euros(or more depending how damaging he thinks you may have been to his feelings) for hurting his feelings. No need to have a witness prove it…

Do you have any proof of that actually happening? Genuine question, because fining someone over pure hearsay seems insane.

Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

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Post by fsflover »

ksec wrote: post #252
bArray wrote: post #41

Honestly I'm glad to see a non-insignificant amount of people in tech take this seriously, especially when the goal Apple announces appears to be for the greater good. It can be hard to stand on the side that doesn't immediately appear to be correct. We have already lost so many freedoms for 'national security' and other such blanket terminology. Just be warned, there will be those that unfairly try to cast this as h…

I actually view this as not a good sign. That many are still in the very very early stage of shock, what Apple is doing does not align with their perceived values. Deducting points from Apple in their own mental model. They write these letter because they think Apple is still mostly good and hope they could have a change of heart. What would happen as some others have pointed out, people will forget about it. Apple w…

> I mean for pete sake is Microsoft or Google even trying to compete?

Forget the evil monopolies. Consider GNU/Linux phones, Librem 5 and Pinehone. They may not be ready for an average user, but the HN audience can take advantage of them and help their develoment.

Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

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Post by Nginx487 »

KONAir wrote: post #118
dmitrygr wrote: post #98

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But anything that has the potential to stop or slow it should be fairly considered Strip searching everyone hourly will stop most contraband, including child pornography. And, according to you, it should be fairly considered. Shall we start with you? (And as people do have naked photos of themselves on their phones often[1], make no mistake, the strip search analogy is NOT an exaggeration) [1] https://en.wikipedia.or…

If UN or another international body like Interpol suddenly grew the courage to do it planetwide, I'd be the first to volunteer.

You can volunteer installing CCTV in all your rooms, including toilet, and regularly send the footage to the police station. However, let us, normal people, to be excluded from this dystopian madness.

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Post by the8472 »

Jenda_ wrote: post #269

Notice, for example, that Thunderbird is sending file names and SHA-256 hashes when you open most (e.g. .pdf) attachments, in the clear, to Google. This seems worse to me (in the Apple case, the information is revealed only if enough files from one device match against a predefined hash list) and nobody really cares... I have just tested with a fresh profile with a freshly downloaded thunderbird-78.12.0.tar.bz2 (x64…

At least mozilla lets you disable that, does apple?

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Post by nix23 »

fsflover wrote: post #277
ksec wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually view this as not a good sign. That many are still in the very very early stage of shock, what Apple is doing does not align with their perceived values. Deducting points from Apple in their own mental model. They write these letter because they think Apple is still mostly good and hope they could have a change of heart. What would happen as some others have pointed out, people will forget about it. Apple w…

> I mean for pete sake is Microsoft or Google even trying to compete? Forget the evil monopolies. Consider GNU/Linux phones, Librem 5 and Pinehone. They may not be ready for an average user, but the HN audience can take advantage of them and help their develoment.

I would love a phone based on the ideas from Plan9.
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