Firefox Cannot Be Trusted at the Hands of Today’s Mozilla Management • Hacker News Board

Re: Firefox Cannot Be Trusted at the Hands of Today’s Mozilla Management

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Post by slapfrog » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 7:47 PM UTC

mst wrote: post #12

Be warned that techrights is ... not always what one might call entirely reliable. They published a bunch of Andrew Lee apologia when the freenode debacle was in full swing. (and the whole "concerns are growing" thing is IMO a rhetorical dark pattern, even if I -do- worry for the future of my preferred browser)

Well I'm glad I listened to what he had to say before I came to the comments here to get discouraged. I've been using firefox since 2005, and hope to continue using firefox, but I have serious concerns about the way things are heading and this guy did a good job of articulating what I feel about it. Firefox is hemorrhaging users and if they don't change course, I fear I might become part of that trend.

Re: Firefox Cannot Be Trusted at the Hands of Today’s Mozilla Management

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Post by slapfrog » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 7:49 PM UTC

avmich wrote: post #4

Can Firefox be forked? It's buildable on various OSes, is it legally possible to pick up the codebase and keep working on it in the spirit of original Mozilla?

Yes but not with the Firefox branding.

Re: Firefox Cannot Be Trusted at the Hands of Today’s Mozilla Management

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Post by johnasmith » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 7:52 PM UTC

It seems presumptuous to speculatively be outraged and it seems unfair to assume that because a person was once employed by Facebook, their efforts at Mozilla will be corruptive. Lets wait and see.

Re: Firefox Cannot Be Trusted at the Hands of Today’s Mozilla Management

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Post by PicassoCTs » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 8:06 PM UTC

Shadonototro wrote: post #20

i used to use Firefox and i was recommending it to everyone then they became lazy, refused to fix performance issues, and the salary of their CEO started to skyrocket then chrome came, and i uninstalled firefox and stopped recomanding it -- firefox is open source gone wrong, that's what happen when you factor in capitalism and try to profit from the free labor of benevolent

Open Source Foundations should regularly die and be reborn in a competition of forks. While the foundation is not yet reborn, a base-staff should host a "stable" version until a new beloved, creature emerges and the foundation re-forms around it.

Re: Firefox Cannot Be Trusted at the Hands of Today’s Mozilla Management

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Post by jmclnx » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 8:24 PM UTC

Maybe, but what does that mean ? we trust Google and Chrome ?

I still trust Firefox way more than Chrome, Edge, IE and maybe whatever Apple has (never used Apple).

I really wish there was a browser that is not a pig, works very well and keeps things private.

Re: Firefox Cannot Be Trusted at the Hands of Today’s Mozilla Management

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Post by wayneftw » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 8:27 PM UTC

coldacid wrote: post #15

nyx-aiur wrote: post #3

In the near future Firefox is just another Brave, Opera whatsoever. I am just curious how long some poor souls work their heart out in the engine room until the management inevitably forces the switch to chromium.

I'm ready to just give up entirely on HTML/CSS/JS on HTTP when that happens. Fuck monocultures.

Yeah, every Linux distro is just terrible now because of the Linux kernel monoculture.

Chromium is ~5 million lines of open source code. That's so unwieldy and impossible for anyone but Google or Microsoft to maintain right?

Meanwhile the Linux kernel is ~28 million lines.

Oh wait, there's also a Brave. Didn't they announce that they will not implement parts of Chromes manifest v3? Crazy how Google has so much control over open source code.

Re: Firefox Cannot Be Trusted at the Hands of Today’s Mozilla Management

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Post by wmf » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 8:40 PM UTC

JPLeRouzic wrote: post #18

wmf wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are various Firefox forks already (the ones I'm aware of are for old OSes) but there aren't enough people to sustain them.

When Firefox/phoenix was created, it was essentially by two people, Dave Hyatt and Blake Ross, isn't?

Firefox was based on the existing Mozilla codebase maintained by dozens or hundreds of engineers. Likewise, as long as Firefox is actively maintained by Mozilla it only takes 1-2 people to maintain a small fork. But if Mozilla goes out of business and Firefox becomes completely unmaintained all of the forks will also die.

Re: Firefox Cannot Be Trusted at the Hands of Today’s Mozilla Management

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Post by mst » Fri, Aug 06, 2021, 12:22 AM UTC

dralley wrote: post #17

mst wrote: post #12

Be warned that techrights is ... not always what one might call entirely reliable. They published a bunch of Andrew Lee apologia when the freenode debacle was in full swing. (and the whole "concerns are growing" thing is IMO a rhetorical dark pattern, even if I -do- worry for the future of my preferred browser)

I'll take that one step further and say that they post total nonsense and speculation on a regular basis.

I have only seen the Clown Prince Apologia posts.

Admittedly they gave me a laugh while I was in the middle of helping cat herd the exodus to libera, but it was definitely a "laughing at" not a "laughing with".

Re: Firefox Cannot Be Trusted at the Hands of Today’s Mozilla Management

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Post by dagsdgfhdgdj » Sat, Aug 07, 2021, 9:22 AM UTC

mst wrote: post #28

dralley wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll take that one step further and say that they post total nonsense and speculation on a regular basis.

I have only seen the Clown Prince Apologia posts. Admittedly they gave me a laugh while I was in the middle of helping cat herd the exodus to libera, but it was definitely a "laughing at" not a "laughing with".

Techrights also reposted the rather crazy ramblings from the page on the debian . community domain when that was going on. Seems like a page run by crazy people.