In internal memo, Apple addresses concerns around new Photo scanning features

Post by phs318u » Sat, Aug 07, 2021, 8:06 AM UTC

smsm42 wrote: post #237

stjohnswarts wrote: post #212

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I see whataboutism (google drive scans! ms scans!) and "here are the technical details of why we can't just look..." . The bottom line is that none of that matters. the 99.999% problem is Apple is spying on you on your. own. device. I don't know how many techies I've had to shoosh and point that out. It doesnt matter what kind of hash or algo or "layers of protection" are being used. What they are doing is inherently…

The mistake here is thinking iphone is your own device. If they can view anything stored there, remove anything from there, control anything you install and run, disable it at any moment they wish - do you actually own it, or you just granted the use of it as long as Apple approves of it? Apple certainly doesn't ask your permission to do anything on "your own device" - but you have to ask theirs. Is that how ownershi…

Post by sharken » Sat, Aug 07, 2021, 8:10 AM UTC

mickotron wrote: post #69

Someone1234 wrote: post #38

Apple's mistake is that they seemingly believe there is pushback because people misunderstand how it works. The reality is more nuanced: People understand exactly how it works, and how it works is that it is turn-key onboard spyware, that Apple pinky-swears isn't being used wrong today . For example if the scope/mission expands (e.g. foreign governments), suddenly you've created a drag-net for whatever "badness" is o…

They make the premise so innocuous that it would seem unreasonable to object, eg who would object to keeping kids safe? However it's what comes after this, the slippery slope of what to enforce and not. The genie doesn't go back in the bottle.

Post by Hackbraten » Sat, Aug 07, 2021, 8:13 AM UTC

shuckles wrote: post #196

dannyw wrote: post #190

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If Apple substitutes keys, then that is a detectable event (by jailbroken devices) and that would make news. This is Apple explicitly announcing they are actively backdooring all iOS and Mac devices, and using your CPU cycles to determine whether you should be reported to the government.

Not really. Key management is done by the SEP, which can’t be introspected. And again, database updates take an iOS update so the back door threat is the exact same.

Post by xyzzyz » Sat, Aug 07, 2021, 8:22 AM UTC

ASalazarMX wrote: post #58

Someone1234 wrote: post #38

Apple's mistake is that they seemingly believe there is pushback because people misunderstand how it works. The reality is more nuanced: People understand exactly how it works, and how it works is that it is turn-key onboard spyware, that Apple pinky-swears isn't being used wrong today . For example if the scope/mission expands (e.g. foreign governments), suddenly you've created a drag-net for whatever "badness" is o…

Sometimes the slippery slope is not a fallacy, but the natural consequence of seeking more control. This feature can be horribly misused in the future, for example, to find people who have sent/received/downloaded Tiannanmen pictures, because instant messaging pictures can be automatically added to your albums. You can't trust a feature whose only impediment from being abused in the future is such pinky promise.

Post by eurasiantiger » Sat, Aug 07, 2021, 8:26 AM UTC

shuckles wrote: post #119

eurasiantiger wrote: post #90

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You seem to be operating under the assumption that device owners are the only customers of the Apple ecosystem.

Ambiguous retorts like this make you sound intelligent but offer little to the discussion. If the adversary is the USA or China, I have bad news for you: every major democracy has planned encryption regulation which is unimaginably worse than what was announced here.