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Launch HN: Keyri (YC S21) – Secure smartphone-based passwordless authentication

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Re: Launch HN: Keyri (YC S21) – Secure smartphone-based passwordless authentication

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Post by thekeyper »

Freak_NL wrote: post #90
thekeyper wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed that WebAuthn is valuable in mobile-only cases, but I don't think it can transition to desktop web for a large majority of people. The overlap in a Venn diagram of "people who use hardware security keys" and "people without smartphones" just seems vanishingly small. BTW, Keyri also uses the TPM / secure enclave as its key store.

So how do you support people without smartphones?

Our system does not support people without smartphones, which is why we are addressing companies that are mobile-first or generally have more tech-forward userbases with ~100% smartphone adoption. For mobile-first platforms in particular, our system helps them flesh out a "WhatsApp-like" auth UX, which is industry leading in our opinion, without a long development cycle.

Re: Launch HN: Keyri (YC S21) – Secure smartphone-based passwordless authentication

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felixg3 wrote: post #79

Unfortunately, this enables vendors to prevent fair-use account sharing, and it looks like to implement some sort of DRM. My team at a small company used SurveyMonkey and only allowed two devices to login, and we paid for only one user license. However, our position was split into two part-time jobs; hence the pricing would have been unfair. I think your service is a good solution, as long as SaaS providers implement…

I think usage-based pricing is more fair than per-seat pricing, and it makes much more sense for SurveyMonkey than per-seat pricing. Usage-based pricing also eliminates account sharing concerns because a given customer can provision as many accounts to their employees or friends/family as needed.

Re: Launch HN: Keyri (YC S21) – Secure smartphone-based passwordless authentication

#94

Post by thekeyper »

kwhitefoot wrote: post #93

Why not use the SIM for two factor authentication. That's what is used in Scandinavia with BankID.

SIM swapping is relatively common in the US because it's not difficult to execute via social engineering. I'm not sure what the situation / protections against SIM swapping are in Scandinavia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIM_swap_scam

Re: Launch HN: Keyri (YC S21) – Secure smartphone-based passwordless authentication

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Post by Abishek_Muthian »

thekeyper wrote: post #87
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #76

Congratulations on the launch of Keyri! I run a problem validation platform and the need-gap in 'Password less authentication' is being tracked here[1]. You're welcomed to explain how Keyri addresses that need-gap so those who need it can find it easily. [1] https://needgap.com/problems/49-password-less-authentication...

Thanks, will do! That's a clever platform.

Thank you, Hope to see Keyri there!

Re: Launch HN: Keyri (YC S21) – Secure smartphone-based passwordless authentication

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Post by Freak_NL »

thekeyper wrote: post #91
Freak_NL wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So how do you support people without smartphones?

Our system does not support people without smartphones, which is why we are addressing companies that are mobile-first or generally have more tech-forward userbases with ~100% smartphone adoption. For mobile-first platforms in particular, our system helps them flesh out a "WhatsApp-like" auth UX, which is industry leading in our opinion, without a long development cycle.

That's kind of limiting and exclusive. It sounds great for the next Clubhouse or Yo, but it seems like a dead end for anything serious like banking or any service that takes inclusion and disabilities serious.

Re: Launch HN: Keyri (YC S21) – Secure smartphone-based passwordless authentication

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Post by kwhitefoot »

thekeyper wrote: post #94
kwhitefoot wrote: post #93

Why not use the SIM for two factor authentication. That's what is used in Scandinavia with BankID.

SIM swapping is relatively common in the US because it's not difficult to execute via social engineering. I'm not sure what the situation / protections against SIM swapping are in Scandinavia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIM_swap_scam

A replacement SIM card will only be delivered to your registered address. I'm not sure that SIM swapping would even be an effective attack vector because the user will have to register that SIM card with the bank or other institution before it will work. I think, but I;m not sure, that all SIM cards have unique IDs.

Re: Launch HN: Keyri (YC S21) – Secure smartphone-based passwordless authentication

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