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Apple’s new abuse prevention system: an antritust/competition point of view

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Re: Apple’s new abuse prevention system: an antritust/competition point of view

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post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For now.

Just as "for now" it doesn't try to stop copyright infringement. Seemingly every aspect of digital technology, from search engines to DNS providers, has been co-opted into the fight against piracy, so I wouldn't be surprised if the media industries started threatening Apple with "contributory infringement" suits if they don't re-purpose this technology for them.

"it would be a shame if AppleTV+ won't get license extension for that popular show, isn't it"

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#162

I don't see why we would believe they are not already doing this? Today's news is just that they can now legally take action on it. Also the whole SWAT scenario is a bit far-fetched, as they will most likely read thru your entire life (don't forget they already have access to it) to make sure they don't look stupid on the news.

Your iphone is already capable to identify nude minors in near real time. Is it really that far-fetched that SWAT team gets triggered into action when iphone detects minor abuse?

Re: Apple’s new abuse prevention system: an antritust/competition point of view

#163
post #146

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>Hash matches are to be human reviewed. Until it proves too expensive, then a different AI system will do it instead. I have zero faith that it'll be a fully competent, well trained, well rested, well paid person will actually be doing these reviews in the long run.

If you actually think there is going to be a fully automated system dispatching police SWAT teams throughout the US without a manual (or judicial) review then.... I really don't know what to tell you.

Guess its hard to believe that their is a world outside of the United States. Already do whatever it takes to pin some BS on someone that opposes them and has them executed. This would be no different.

Re: Apple’s new abuse prevention system: an antritust/competition point of view

#164

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Just photograph a known bad picture.

Then that's a different photo and will have a different hash.

Are you sure the hash function literally called "NeuralMatch" running on the device with 2+ gen of AI capable chips won't have "collisions"?

Re: Apple’s new abuse prevention system: an antritust/competition point of view

#165
post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Hash matches are to be human reviewed. Until it proves too expensive, then a different AI system will do it instead. I have zero faith that it'll be a fully competent, well trained, well rested, well paid person will actually be doing these reviews in the long run.

If you actually think there is going to be a fully automated system dispatching police SWAT teams throughout the US without a manual (or judicial) review then.... I really don't know what to tell you.

Yeah, it normally requires an anonymous phone call from a VoIP number.

Re: Apple’s new abuse prevention system: an antritust/competition point of view

#166
post #162

I don't see why we would believe they are not already doing this? Today's news is just that they can now legally take action on it. Also the whole SWAT scenario is a bit far-fetched, as they will most likely read thru your entire life (don't forget they already have access to it) to make sure they don't look stupid on the news.

Your iphone is already capable to identify nude minors in near real time. Is it really that far-fetched that SWAT team gets triggered into action when iphone detects minor abuse?

Pretty far-fetched, to swat you need a crisis situation, hostage/bomb/shooting

Re: Apple’s new abuse prevention system: an antritust/competition point of view

#167

So this new Apple stuff has made me decide not to buy an M1. I'm leaning Framework laptop. For my phone though... no idea. My iPhone is honestly such a solid piece of tech. I don't _want_ to go Google either... so what else do i have? I know lots of people run de-googled Androids, which i guess works, but i'd prefer to avoid them entirely. Is there anything that works? edit : I know of the Purism phone ( https://puri…

commenting here as I share the same exact sentiment. I guess I am going to look into LineageOS which falls in the de-googled category but im not sure I am in love with that idea. edit: Whoa, 2K for that purism phone. fuckin' a.

The standard (https://shop.puri.sm/shop/librem-5/) is cheaper - i guess the USA one comes with a large uptick for locally sourcing?

Re: Apple’s new abuse prevention system: an antritust/competition point of view

#168

So this new Apple stuff has made me decide not to buy an M1. I'm leaning Framework laptop. For my phone though... no idea. My iPhone is honestly such a solid piece of tech. I don't _want_ to go Google either... so what else do i have? I know lots of people run de-googled Androids, which i guess works, but i'd prefer to avoid them entirely. Is there anything that works? edit : I know of the Purism phone ( https://puri…

GrapheneOS on Pixel? Dunno for sure. My strong temptation is to go dumb phone.

>So this new Apple stuff has made me decide not to buy an M1.

I hear you on that. I was kind of wanting one just for a break from the vintage Thinkpad Master Race but I'll wait for a non Apple OS port.

Re: Apple’s new abuse prevention system: an antritust/competition point of view

#169
post #3

Or inversely, the FBI/CIA/CCP went to Apple and said "it'd be a shame it turned out you were a monopoly". Apple caved to pressure and had to implement this. Whatever the angle, this isn't about protecting kids whatsoever. It's about power.

I think that’s in essence what the author is arguing, at least the outcomes are the same. The only difference is maybe none of the 3-letter agencies had to come out and explicitly say it, when Apple is perfectly competent at spotting a bone to toss. In other words, the author thinks with Apple’s back to a wall, they only needed to make the announcement of this feature for the government to see there are advantages to…

This could be aimed at pre-emptively de-fanging one argument against end-to-end encryption.

Re: Apple’s new abuse prevention system: an antritust/competition point of view

#170
post #3

Or inversely, the FBI/CIA/CCP went to Apple and said "it'd be a shame it turned out you were a monopoly". Apple caved to pressure and had to implement this. Whatever the angle, this isn't about protecting kids whatsoever. It's about power.

The biggest question is who is providing the hashes? Since possession of images is illegal, it has to be the government. So we have to trust the government enough that they won’t abuse it and stick in other hashes. Same government that recommended an encryption method that they figure out how to break it.
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