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Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

albertgoeswoof wrote: post #63
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once again, the "average" fallacy. In normal circumstances, the average is rarely the statistic you want to quote (and definitely not unless it is accompanied by standard deviation values). Median is the correct way to identify "the typical" [0]. You're in luck though. The median appears to be about $38k, so the difference in this case is not that great. [0] there's the old joke about (Gates|Bezos|Musk|...) walks int…

That’s the average new car, the median purchase price of all cars will be much lower

The median price I cited was for new cars.

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axiosgunnar wrote: post #31
hogFeast wrote: post #6

Wait until the author finds out how the batteries are made. EDIT: just to be clear, I am not a "climate change denier"...although always interested to have lots of random people attempt to diagnose me. I worked in equity research, I have seen mountains of reports on this topic: lithium and cobalt production are terrible for the environment (ignoring issues with forced labour and human cost at mines, most people who m…

Read this if you have downvoted the parent post: The biggest mistake you can make if you believe that climate change is caused by humans and a looming catastrophe is ostracising people like OP who have a healthy dose of scepticism and actually put down data-based arguments. You can disprove the data OP has put out, but simply downvoting him means you are passing up on your last chance to convince the part of the so-c…

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Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by rootusrootus »

aakour wrote: post #39
rootusrootus wrote: post #32

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> Making the 1000km+ drive in one day isn't a big deal at all, I'm getting old. The thought of driving 600+ miles in a single day sounds like hell.

This is IMO where the Model 3 shines - it's a great car for longer trips. Comfy seats, and autopilot really reduces the strain of highway driving.

That works for some people. I found that the seats in my P3D were decidedly mediocre at best (but I've gotten spoiled over the years by a lot of cars with Recaros). And AP does not drive either as smoothly as I do, nor as defensively as I do, which actually raises my blood pressure a bit. Cruise control with me steering is my most comfortable.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by 908B64B197 »

gorkish wrote: post #27
bluesquared wrote: post #11

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People who are financing brand new cars are either wealthy enough or uneducated enough to not worry about a $40k+ MSRP. I've frequently championed my Chevy Bolt. Caveat being the recent recall on the battery fires, but ignoring that...My 2017 Bolt, bought used with ~35k miles was ~$16k USD. 238 mile advertised range, 50kW "DC Fast Charging". My Bolt (and I believe all of the new ones) still have the pathetic 50kW "fa…

I paid even less for my Bolt and while I think it's a wing dang doodle of a little car, I am not stupid enough to try to take it on a road trip. If I had to move the car any significant distance, I would not even attempt to drive it; I would ship or tow it. I "fast charged" the car exactly once, to test that it worked and familiarize myself with the process. $15 and 90 minutes later, I lost interest in ever doing it…

> I am sure that we will see strong opinions come from both the tesla and non-tesla EV camps in discussing this post, so hopefully my dual perspective will be of some value.

If it doesn't plug into a supercharger it's pretty much defective on arrival.

https://youtu.be/hA_B7qPyUDA?t=1136

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by bryanlarsen »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #21

From the end of TFA: >And everyone should stop driving fossil vehicles starting now. [ ... ] There’s no excuse not to. Admirable sentiments, but can anyone point definitively to the net gain/loss in CO2 terms of actually ditching a fossil fuel based car and replacing it with a new EV? And how does that look if the FF car is something like a Honda Fit (good mileage, lower than typical emissions)? I'd be willing to dum…

Carbon zero transportation is a two step process: electrify the transportation and green the electricity. They both have to be done, and they both take a long time. If each side waits for the other, neither gets done.

At current prices, renewables are the cheapest energy sources, any increased demand for energy will bias the electricity mix greener.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by djrogers »

hogFeast wrote: post #12
rpmisms wrote: post #5

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Standard Range+ Model 3: $39k. 2021 Nissan Leaf: $32.6k. These are reasonable numbers. If you're buying a new sedan, electric is the way to go.

Reasonable numbers...if you can afford it. Saying $40k is "reasonable" depends on how much you earn. That is 20-25% more than US median annual gross income...it is a lot of money. Also, most people who are unable to buy this kind of car aren't polluting a great deal anyway. A huge share of pollution is caused by wealthy people jetting around every few days on planes. I have an ICE car, it cost something like $4k, it…

> 40k is "reasonable" depends on how much you earn. That is 20-25% more than US median annual gross income.

The median household income is somewhere north of $60k.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_Unit...

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by lucb1e »

gameswithgo wrote: post #28
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #21

From the end of TFA: >And everyone should stop driving fossil vehicles starting now. [ ... ] There’s no excuse not to. Admirable sentiments, but can anyone point definitively to the net gain/loss in CO2 terms of actually ditching a fossil fuel based car and replacing it with a new EV? And how does that look if the FF car is something like a Honda Fit (good mileage, lower than typical emissions)? I'd be willing to dum…

Sure, here is one such full lifecycle study: https://sustain.ubc.ca/sites/default/files/2018-63%20Lifecyc...

Conclusion:

> [EV and ICE vehicles were] comparatively analyzed by dividing into five categories: raw material production, vehicle manufacture, transportation, operation, and decommissioning. The analysis [...] revealed that electric vehicles have a markedly lower impact in both categories, especially in regions with clean power sources like British Columbia. This conclusion is reached after consideration of the higher environmental burdens of raw material production and decommissioning inherent to electric vehicles. The significantly lower impacts from the operation stage had the strongest effect on the results. Sensitivity analysis showed that a longer lifespan shifted the efficiency balance further toward the electric vehicle.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by version_five »

emilecantin wrote: post #14

I did a similar roadtrip back in 2015 (!) in my ex-boss's Tesla Model S: we traveled from Montréal to Atlanta for a weekend conference (JSConf, IIRC). We were driving continuously, switching drivers every time we hit a charger (we were 4 in the car). I think it took us about 24h to do the trip. My main takeaway from the experience is that charging wasn't actually "painful" at all. On the contrary, it was a welcome br…

I find this kind of "it's great to have a break" justification tiring. Glad that you found something to do while your car is charging, but pretending it's not a limitation feels like just glossing over something that does make it less flexible, whether that was a problem for you or not.

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Post by dragonwriter »

djrogers wrote: post #76
hogFeast wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reasonable numbers...if you can afford it. Saying $40k is "reasonable" depends on how much you earn. That is 20-25% more than US median annual gross income...it is a lot of money. Also, most people who are unable to buy this kind of car aren't polluting a great deal anyway. A huge share of pollution is caused by wealthy people jetting around every few days on planes. I have an ICE car, it cost something like $4k, it…

> 40k is "reasonable" depends on how much you earn. That is 20-25% more than US median annual gross income. The median household income is somewhere north of $60k. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_Unit...

> The median household income is somewhere north of $60k.

The median personal income is about $36K [0], so $40K is about 10% more. The median full-time worker is about $50K. [1] Households frequently have more than one earner.

[0] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEPAINUSA672N

[1] https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/demo/tables/industr... [XLSX]

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by olyjohn »

pengaru wrote: post #45
ortusdux wrote: post #22

Also, charging by the minute seems wrong .... a Porsche Taycan is going to get a whole lot more range out of each minute than a five-year-old Nissan Leaf, so why should they pay less for the same amount of range? Hmmmm. Bear in mind that at home with the Level 2 charger in the carport, charging feels close to free. You are primarily paying rent to take up a charging spot vs. buying electricity. If it took some vehicl…

> If it took some vehicles 45 minutes to pump 20 gallons of diesel, I guarantee stations would start charging per minute. I wouldn't be so sure, not in the US anyways. It sounds like a captive audience, and convenience store+gas station combos are already known to generate more profit from the overpriced crap inside than the gas since gas prices are so cut-throat competitive. There's already a few gas stations around…

Don't forget the gas stations that play video ads with audio blasting on the damn pump.
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