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Apple’s new abuse prevention system: an antritust/competition point of view

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Re: Apple’s new abuse prevention system: an antritust/competition point of view

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Post by cblconfederate »

Mike8435 wrote: post #53
hughrr wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a stupid assumption to make based on that. If someone emails or messages you a picture then you're in possession of it if you chose to be or not.

No it was not a stupid assumption. You need to read more carefully as I exposed a flaw in his reasoning. The suggestion was that since CP possession does not prove physical molestation, therefore it is OK. Actually possession of CP is a crime in itself. This is an objective fact. I've known of otherwise intelligent people who do believe its actually OK to possess child porn if they're not physically molesting anyone.

Of course it is not OK. Does making it illegal and violating everyone's privacy rights reduce child abuse? I'd like to see the evidence. Another example is virtual child pornography which , evil as it is, does not harm anyone during its production, yet that is also illegal (in the US). The question is how far will governments go with the instrumentalization of child abuse prevention in order to spy on their own citizens

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Post by selsta »

Kaytaro wrote: post #45
throwayws wrote: post #31

Planting false evidence is getting a new twist here. The attacker doesn't even have to make a report! The victim's computer does it for him. Disk encryption malware may have new successor. Effective and scalable extortion as a service.

This is a great point. You don't even need to unlock an iPhone to take a picture. So in theory anyone with access to your phone for a few seconds could incriminate you with little effort.

This is already possible today with things like iCloud Photos, Google Photos, OneDrive etc.

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Post by artificial »

zepto wrote: post #41
abawany wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think they will ever be able to walk this back. The governments that twisted Apple's arm to get this look-see into everyone's devices will roast them in the court of public opinion (or threaten to, which will be enough). IMO, this will just open up more and more - it will never go back to being what iDevice owners have now.

> The governments that twisted Apple's arm to get this look-see into everyone's devices will roast them in the court of public opinion Nothing about this technology gives governments a ‘look see’ into everyone’s devices.

The government controls the hash list.

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Post by cblconfederate »

Asmod4n wrote: post #38
cblconfederate wrote: post #15

Apple will release this in their desktop pcs. The major consequence of this is that, a year down the line, microsoft will also be compelled/forced to join this "coalition of the good". After all, they already scan all your files for viruses, it would be a shame if they didn't scan for anything that is deemed incriminating and also call the cops on you. Of course, the children are being used as a trojan horse again. W…

Microsoft already does this. „Microsoft removes content that contains apparent CSEAI. As a US-based company, Microsoft reports all apparent CSEAI to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) via the CyberTipline, as required by US law. During the period of July – December 2020, Microsoft submitted 63,813 reports to NCMEC. We suspend the account(s) associated with the content we have reported to N…

I think that's for files uploaded to onedrive etc. Not for all the files on any windows pc

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Post by cblconfederate »

slg wrote: post #35
cblconfederate wrote: post #15

Apple will release this in their desktop pcs. The major consequence of this is that, a year down the line, microsoft will also be compelled/forced to join this "coalition of the good". After all, they already scan all your files for viruses, it would be a shame if they didn't scan for anything that is deemed incriminating and also call the cops on you. Of course, the children are being used as a trojan horse again. W…

>We don't even mention the giant logical leap from finding someone possessing CP to automatically considering them a child molester, yet someone posessing an action movie is not considered a murderer. This is a wild and in my opinion a wrongheaded analogy. Possessing CP is a crime by itself. It doesn't matter if the person possessing is actually a molester or not. It is just like the possession of drugs being illegal…

Yeah it wasn't meant to be an analogy. For example consider a real murder video, is its posession illegal and does it mean its owner should be a murder suspect?

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Post by bississippi »

whoknowswhat11 wrote: post #17
voidnullnil wrote: post #12

When I was 13 and my parent made me use a content filter on the web I bypassed it and watched porn and they never found out. On the other hand: Why would I ever want a piece of tech that reports me to the police (even if for legitimate reasons). EDIT: >Anonymous helplines and guidance exist for adults with at-risk thoughts and behaviour [ https://www.apple.com/v/child-safety/a/images/guidance-img__... ] LOL NVM I TRI…

Then apple will lose market share and correct their ways. Conversely, what I've seen does put this top of list as a parent. Will notify me if my child is sending nudes. Will notify me if someone is sending porn to my child. Will notify police if known child porn is on the device. When folks talk about competition - part of this MUST include the USERS preferences (not as currently done the focus of what I see as large…

Would this service notify parents if such a thing happened ? I haven’t see it in their official announcement.

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

cblconfederate wrote: post #15

Apple will release this in their desktop pcs. The major consequence of this is that, a year down the line, microsoft will also be compelled/forced to join this "coalition of the good". After all, they already scan all your files for viruses, it would be a shame if they didn't scan for anything that is deemed incriminating and also call the cops on you. Of course, the children are being used as a trojan horse again. W…

> We don't even mention the giant logical leap from finding someone possessing CP to automatically considering them a child molester, yet someone posessing an action movie is not considered a murderer.

Filming an action movie does not require actually murdering people.

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Post by opinion-is-bad »

lamontcg wrote: post #60

> But when a backdoor is installed, the backdoor exists and history teaches that it’s only a matter of time before it’s also used by the bad guys and authoritarian regimes. Problem is that this scanning is necessarily fuzzy and there is going to be a false positive rate to it. And the way that you'll find out that you've tripped a false positive is that the SWAT team will knock your door down and kill your dog (at a…

Stochastic domestic terrorist is not a term I ever expected to read, but it seems very fitting for the “data-driven” (but generally poorly evaluated) future we find ourselves drifting into.
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