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Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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But it would take Netflix just one or two demo-specific properties to win that demo back. Unless the goal is to be acquired.

It’s a yc (VC backed) company. You know the goal.

Hmm, interesting comment: it could mean either of two opposite things, but that makes it self-contradictory!

Just for clarity, when YC funds a company, the goal is not to have it get acquired. It's to have it go public. Acquisition interrupts that, so it's a suboptimal outcome. That said, YC supports what founders want to do.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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Maybe I just have enough black friends in Hollywood, but in the past few years, the following shows from black showrunners all made the cultural zeitgist on broadcast tv: Blackish, Empire, How to Get Away with Murder, and Bob and Abishola; and on on cable/streaming: Atlanta, Insecure, Power, Dear White People, Lovecraft Country, and I May Destroy You. (Note, I am friends with some of the writing staff and crew on sev…

I'd say you have a fair point about the competition, but not about their being a lack of critical examination. A critical examination of the market would yield the fact that surveyed black viewers want more content targeted at them, don't feel fully represented even in the existing black content that's out there, and that despite an admittedly (and perhaps temporary) spike in black content, an estimated $10b in reven…

Maybe it's just because I have more exposure to the Hollywood side of this than you do, but you're very dismissive of BET and your other Hollywood competitors in a way that suggests you didn't do your research and that you're thinking that your tech backgrounds will magically let you jump into this market without actually knowing how it works.

BET can never be all the way in on serving the black audience, as Viacom will always look to maximize a piece of content through the channel that makes it the most money

Yes, BET is owned by Viacom, but unlike CBS, BET runs, and has run, largely as an independent unit, has its own financials, has control over its own studios and IP, and has its own streaming service, BET+. I really hope you haven't staked your entire business plan on a fundamental misunderstanding of how BET operates.

There's also the product side, where none of the incumbents have invested in

This is simply wrong. Every year, BET spends several multiples of what you've raised to date on developing new talent. Not only that but recent indie darlings I May Destroy You and Dear White People were both the product of conventional studios...

But if by product you mean the delivery mechanism aka website, then your website simply isn't anything special, and it's definitely an inferior product compared to any your competitors right now. (It's irrelevant what you might have on your roadmap; customers will judge you based on what you have right now.)

and the large players, have actually disintermediated themselves by selling through other products like Amazon and Roku channels. Now we haven't built out a differentiated product yet either, but it's on the roadmap and you can be assured that disintermediation is not a strategy we're interested in.

??? Are you actually dismissing your competitors being available on Amazon and Roku? The point of being on Amazon and Roku is to expand the potential audience, not to "disintermediate" themselves. If your goal is to be web-only, you're relegating yourself to never-was status. Note that HBO Max's interfaces online, on my LG TV, and on my Roku are virtually identical (the same is true of Disney+, and Netflix's respective interfaces).

But no one said this would be easy, and we have a differentiated approach that we believe gives us a strong shot at success.

As far as I can tell, your "differentiated approach" is to try and cheap your way into the market with a library of low-budget indie productions. This is a viable strategy to make money...if your plan is to resell those rights on to bigger studios/streamers, or use the rights to redevelop the IP. (See e.g., Saban of Power Rangers fame and his sizable library of old Japanese shows, or Blumhouse and horror). I had a number of other clients who also made good money reselling IP they bought on the cheap, but the key to this business strategy is knowing who wants to buy and how much they're willing to pay.

But let's be serious: do you honestly believe that there is a $10 billion market for low-budget indie tv crap targeting black viewers? Because that's bigger than the non-targeted market for indie television in the U.S. (and note that Disney pulled in just over $11 billion in 2019 with mass market fare), so I'd have to seriously question both the inputs and the financial model that could have led to such a ridiculous number.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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I'm White. I'm not racist. I agree with your opinions of wanting more black stories. The fact so many people are capitalizing black and lower casing White is such a deliberate act of divisiveness. Stop doing this. You're turning moderate people into enemies. Everything is being turned into race and division to the point it's making my Asian partner and a lot of her friends in the Asian community mad at the black comm…

You capitalize "Black" for the same reason you capitalize "Spanish" or "Polish". It's a distinctive ethnicity and culture; it isn't simply a broad description of people sharing a skin color. You can read John McWhorter --- no friend to wokeism --- talking about how much better capital-B Black is as a description than any of the other weird terms we've come up with in the last 20 years. Nobody anywhere on this thread…

LOL what a load of nonsense. Spanish and Polish are capped because Spain and Poland are capped. This woke garbage is so obsessed with remaking reality in the face of the self evident it's no wonder why no one takes it seriously.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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You capitalize "Black" for the same reason you capitalize "Spanish" or "Polish". It's a distinctive ethnicity and culture; it isn't simply a broad description of people sharing a skin color. You can read John McWhorter --- no friend to wokeism --- talking about how much better capital-B Black is as a description than any of the other weird terms we've come up with in the last 20 years. Nobody anywhere on this thread…

LOL what a load of nonsense. Spanish and Polish are capped because Spain and Poland are capped. This woke garbage is so obsessed with remaking reality in the face of the self evident it's no wonder why no one takes it seriously.

Ah, yes, such bastions of wokeism as The Chicago Manual of Style.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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Huh? They do make TV for white people. There's Polish TV, there's Russian TV, there's German TV, name it. It's rude to troll on someone's Launch thread.

Do you think there aren't Black Germans and Asian Russians?

Are you saying you invented paper!?

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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It’s a yc (VC backed) company. You know the goal.

Hmm, interesting comment: it could mean either of two opposite things, but that makes it self-contradictory! Just for clarity, when YC funds a company, the goal is not to have it get acquired. It's to have it go public. Acquisition interrupts that, so it's a suboptimal outcome. That said, YC supports what founders want to do.

True. I was making a simple blanket statement that for most VC backed companies you can be sure the end goal is either acquisition or successful ipo.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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Some feedback: 1. What is your cost per episode? Can your subscription fee sustain realistically sustain that? 2. Your design needs improvement, at least on desktop. Haven't looked at the apps yet. If you expect "product" do be your differentiator, there's a LOT of work. Also, I'm not sure this is a sufficient competitive advantage. (a) its replicable (b) I've never seen this as a reason for people to pick one conten…

These are tremendous questions! Ones we need to continue to think through, but I can share our early thoughts... 1. Content cost: Generally speaking, and assuming capital raises, we will only buy content that our subscription revenues can sustain. And over time, we do intend to raise our price as the service gets better. 2. Product: Yes, the product is far from perfect. We wanted to get in market with content, and it…

> it's not like Netflix has a game-changing technology advantage over all the companies chasing them.

You're kidding right? They have huge technological advantages in the areas of content production. Comments like this are why people are doubting this pitches ability to deliver. It doesn't really sound like you know your competitions strengths.

There is a reason it's the N in FAANG. They are a technology company first.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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It seems like it will be extremely difficult to cater to the American Black market and assume those interests carryover to other populations.

I wouldn't think of anything that we're planning to do from an internationalization point as being any different from what Netflix has done spanning across the globe and cultures.

Netflix doesn't cater to a specific racial subset of America though. You could become a global player in the space somehow, but probably not while retaining this mission

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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That's a great point. I think both things probably need to be done. We took the distribution route, because ultimately we believe it's the direct relationship with the consumer that will allow for this to work. As a production company, you're a step away from the end-user, so you're at the mercy of a distribution company that has more than just the black audience to worry about. But if a company is solely focused on…

> We took the distribution route, because ultimately we believe it's the direct relationship with the consumer that will allow for this to work. Be honest. It's less capital intensive, with much higher valuations.

There had to be a friendlier way to make that comment.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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It’s a yc (VC backed) company. You know the goal.

Hmm, interesting comment: it could mean either of two opposite things, but that makes it self-contradictory! Just for clarity, when YC funds a company, the goal is not to have it get acquired. It's to have it go public. Acquisition interrupts that, so it's a suboptimal outcome. That said, YC supports what founders want to do.

How many YC companies ended up going public out of the total? And how large is that total? What is the expected timeframe from launch to IPO? How many companies still outside of that window? Those would be interesting stats to have.
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