Planting false evidence is getting a new twist here. The attacker doesn't even have to make a report! The victim's computer does it for him. Disk encryption malware may have new successor. Effective and scalable extortion as a service.
Apple’s new abuse prevention system: an antritust/competition point of view
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Re: Apple’s new abuse prevention system: an antritust/competition point of view
#32Apple will release this in their desktop pcs. The major consequence of this is that, a year down the line, microsoft will also be compelled/forced to join this "coalition of the good". After all, they already scan all your files for viruses, it would be a shame if they didn't scan for anything that is deemed incriminating and also call the cops on you. Of course, the children are being used as a trojan horse again. W…
> yet someone posessing an action movie is not considered a murderer.
I think it is more similar to drugs, possesing one doesn't mean you are consuming it, yet it is an illegal substance and production, transportation and distribution are understandably not allowed.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
What a messed up world we live in where money and power are the only things that matter to the people that get to make a difference. But has it not always been this way? The show must go on..
This is some guy’s theory, and they can’t even spell “anti-trust” (in the headline, no less). It’s not quite enough to lose all trust in society over.
From what I can tell he is Italian, so spelling should not be a reason to judge imo
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#34When I was 13 and my parent made me use a content filter on the web I bypassed it and watched porn and they never found out. On the other hand: Why would I ever want a piece of tech that reports me to the police (even if for legitimate reasons). EDIT: >Anonymous helplines and guidance exist for adults with at-risk thoughts and behaviour [ https://www.apple.com/v/child-safety/a/images/guidance-img__... ] LOL NVM I TRI…
Isn't that most of the internet? I would be surprised if, for example, you didn't get reported by Hackernews if you started making criminal threats or sharing CSAM on here. From the legal tab: >3. SHARING AND DISCLOSURE OF PERSONAL INFORMATION >In certain circumstances we may share your Personal Information with third parties without further notice to you, unless required by the law, as set forth below: ... >Legal Re…
>Isn't that most of the internet?
No, bad analogy.
Re: Apple’s new abuse prevention system: an antritust/competition point of view
#35Apple will release this in their desktop pcs. The major consequence of this is that, a year down the line, microsoft will also be compelled/forced to join this "coalition of the good". After all, they already scan all your files for viruses, it would be a shame if they didn't scan for anything that is deemed incriminating and also call the cops on you. Of course, the children are being used as a trojan horse again. W…
>We don't even mention the giant logical leap from finding someone possessing CP to automatically considering them a child molester, yet someone posessing an action movie is not considered a murderer.
This is a wild and in my opinion a wrongheaded analogy. Possessing CP is a crime by itself. It doesn't matter if the person possessing is actually a molester or not. It is just like the possession of drugs being illegal and it does not matter whether the person has actually taken or plans to take those drugs.
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#36Or inversely, the FBI/CIA/CCP went to Apple and said "it'd be a shame it turned out you were a monopoly". Apple caved to pressure and had to implement this. Whatever the angle, this isn't about protecting kids whatsoever. It's about power.
Apple's a $2 trillion company. If not even they have enough legal firepower to stand up to the three letter agencies, what possible chance does any other private citizen have. This should be a wake-up call.
It's time to start dismantling massive chunks of the intelligence community. It no longer works for the citizenry that's supposedly their bosses. (If it ever did.) It's become a power blackhole unto itself.
Even elected officials, up to POTUS, have found themselves unable to control the unelected and unaccountable fiefdoms that make up the intelligence community.
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#37When I was 13 and my parent made me use a content filter on the web I bypassed it and watched porn and they never found out. On the other hand: Why would I ever want a piece of tech that reports me to the police (even if for legitimate reasons). EDIT: >Anonymous helplines and guidance exist for adults with at-risk thoughts and behaviour [ https://www.apple.com/v/child-safety/a/images/guidance-img__... ] LOL NVM I TRI…
Then apple will lose market share and correct their ways. Conversely, what I've seen does put this top of list as a parent. Will notify me if my child is sending nudes. Will notify me if someone is sending porn to my child. Will notify police if known child porn is on the device. When folks talk about competition - part of this MUST include the USERS preferences (not as currently done the focus of what I see as large…
I don't think they will ever be able to walk this back. The governments that twisted Apple's arm to get this look-see into everyone's devices will roast them in the court of public opinion (or threaten to, which will be enough). IMO, this will just open up more and more - it will never go back to being what iDevice owners have now.
Re: Apple’s new abuse prevention system: an antritust/competition point of view
#38Apple will release this in their desktop pcs. The major consequence of this is that, a year down the line, microsoft will also be compelled/forced to join this "coalition of the good". After all, they already scan all your files for viruses, it would be a shame if they didn't scan for anything that is deemed incriminating and also call the cops on you. Of course, the children are being used as a trojan horse again. W…
Microsoft already does this.
„Microsoft removes content that contains apparent CSEAI. As a US-based company, Microsoft reports all apparent CSEAI to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) via the CyberTipline, as required by US law. During the period of July – December 2020, Microsoft submitted 63,813 reports to NCMEC. We suspend the account(s) associated with the content we have reported to NCMEC for CSEAI or child sexual grooming violations.“
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/corporate-responsibility/dig...
Re: Apple’s new abuse prevention system: an antritust/competition point of view
#39When I was 13 and my parent made me use a content filter on the web I bypassed it and watched porn and they never found out. On the other hand: Why would I ever want a piece of tech that reports me to the police (even if for legitimate reasons). EDIT: >Anonymous helplines and guidance exist for adults with at-risk thoughts and behaviour [ https://www.apple.com/v/child-safety/a/images/guidance-img__... ] LOL NVM I TRI…
Then apple will lose market share and correct their ways. Conversely, what I've seen does put this top of list as a parent. Will notify me if my child is sending nudes. Will notify me if someone is sending porn to my child. Will notify police if known child porn is on the device. When folks talk about competition - part of this MUST include the USERS preferences (not as currently done the focus of what I see as large…
The hash data is secret because if widely known then offenders would know which images were known to law enforcement, and therefore transform or delete only those.
Re: Apple’s new abuse prevention system: an antritust/competition point of view
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Windows has been doing this for years. Not with this new tech, but with older methods.
I'm skeptical of the claim that MS has been A: scanning files on local windows machines and B: forwarding anything concerning to law enforcement. That's a fairly extraordinary claim, and I would like to see the evidence.
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