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I can't find the quote from Tyler Perry, but Madea is definitely not just for Black people. All of his stories are like this: they trick you into watching because it's funny, and easy to watch - but at the same time every story also had hard to talk about problems related to things like family life, drugs, intramarital issues, and prostitution. I listened to an interview with Tyler and he called it a bait-and-switch.…

I can enjoy TP films, for the record. I agree with those statements. Why don't you write the teleplay and try to shop it around? You seem invested in the idea!

while writing this over lunch I was thinking... wait how hard is it to write this? Turns out it's hard, and I'd have to re-read all the madea scripts to understand how the interactions work, plus I don't feel like I have a perfect handle on throwing Madea into the abyss and seeing what happens. In short, it would be fan-fic rather than genuine.

What I want is Tyler Perry & Co to write this movie.

Tyler, I don't want any money, I don't want anything more than having this film made! (you could give me a little cameo though, I'll be a busboy or something)

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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Maybe I just have enough black friends in Hollywood, but in the past few years, the following shows from black showrunners all made the cultural zeitgist on broadcast tv: Blackish, Empire, How to Get Away with Murder, and Bob and Abishola; and on on cable/streaming: Atlanta, Insecure, Power, Dear White People, Lovecraft Country, and I May Destroy You. (Note, I am friends with some of the writing staff and crew on sev…

Just curious, but how do you have so many friends in Hollywood? (Feel free to email me directly if wanted)

I live in LA and met them through work and friends.

I posted your link in one of our group chats. If any of them reach out to you it means they're interested. However, I wouldn't get my hopes up, critiques from the chat thread so far:

-"so it's quibi for black people"

-trying to be BET "for indies" but without backing it up with the funding, marketing, audience, mentorship opportunities, or industry connections

-based on out NY, but the hearts of the black TV industry are Atlanta and LA (BET is hq'd in NY, so I think this one was about where the talent/crew are located rather than the execs)

-featured shows on front page: "First Dates" has promise if marketed properly. "Trifecta" tested poorly with all the women in the chat ("hell no"). Nobody could figure out what "The Retreat" was about and based on the trailer they weren't interested in finding out.

- the website is amateurish, the copy is basic and doesn't inspire interest, and "looks like a fly-by-night operation"

- "they need to hire a marketing team ASAP"

- "it's all stuff BET rejected" (this was from someone who works at BET)

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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So next is Netflix for asian americans, Netflix for blonde women, and why not Netflix for ugly people who are sick of only watching beautiful people on screen? The good thing business wise I guess is that the market possibilities are infinite, but I am not sure what world you want to create.

So you're opposed to the basic concept of marketing niches?

It seems to make no sense the way they do it and he is pointing that out.

I am an Airbnb host and once rented to a black couple for a month.

After that I had a lot of "black" content (people) suggested on my youtube.

It's a difficult(AI), but especially solved problem that only big companies have and they are obviously doing (approaching - as a small startup) it wrong...

... which is kind of a surprise, because YC is such a renowned VC/incubator.

Looking at the other startups they support lately it is sad to see what they have become: Supporting minoritie's interests for the sake of it (statistics).

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Maybe(?) the intension is good behind this kind of services, but honestly this is #1 reason why we will never get rid of racism. It just gets rebranded and will stay with as long as there are humans.

> Maybe(?) the intension [sic] is good behind this [sic] kind of services

This is the "#1 reason why we will never get rid of racism?!" Not, say, racists? Or race supremacists?

Is there something racist about this platform or its creators? I didn't see where they said they think one race is superior to another.

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Except that "for white people" is the default. The minority representation in media is still generally token at best. And, while it may seem like a double standard, when you say something implying that there should be a "x for white people" it sounds like you're saying you're already seeing too much minority representation in media for your comfort or sense of place in society. And if that's the case, know that that…

So you'd say Netflix is mostly for white people? Asking seriously, I'm European.

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Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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The solution to this problem is very complex and occurs once you scale. The companies facing this problem are big and have the resources to solve it. The solution is non-trivial and requires a lot of smart engineers and AI. All the huge companies have actually solved this problem in reasonable ways. It's what "the AI revolution" is all about. It's kind of a solved problem + heavily in the making. To try and approach this problem as a startup is just the wrong approach from a "sequence of events" and also "logical" perspective: You have to build something else successful first and then adjust/expand into multiple markets. Silicon Valley is not about targeting niche markets. It's about capturing one, ideally big market (typically "the us market") first and then expanding into others (typically all the countries in the world). The market for black people content (~12% of the us population) is "one of those" "subsequent" markets.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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> My point is that we don't call Netflix "Netflix for white people" and it's not designed in an exclusive way such that it aims to only serve a white audience. Well, sure, because that's not their target market, but also because there isn't really a single predominant 'White culture' in the U.S., distinct from mainstream culture in general, in the same way that 'Black culture' was united by centuries of slavery and c…

There are plenty of outlets for distinctively and unapologetically ethnic content that serve other ethnicities; we don't know about them not because there isn't much of it, but because we're not the intended audience. I'm not watching any Polish-language dramas because I don't speak Polish, but they certainly exist, as do Korean soap operas and Japanese game shows. We hear about some of these things when they break i…

> Really, the appeal being made by people objecting to this site is that Black people shouldn't have sites that nurture that kind of content, because it somehow squicks white people out.

At least some people are arguing that it should exist, but should not be marketed to the demographic it is designed to appeal to, because it squicks white people out not that black content exists, but that people marketing it acknowledge that it is designed to appeal to the unmet needs of black consumers, because white people want to buy it but not if the marketing says it was designed to meet black interests.

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Thanks! Made it even clearer what the problem in the US is, i lived for >1.5 y in Tanzania Kenya Rwanda and Namibia, and the Culture (Food, Music, Cloth, TV, Soap-operas, Religion etc) is so vastly different as if you would compare Iceland to South Italy. I think it terrible what the US is heading too (equalizing culture with skin-color)

Most African-Americans, particularly the descendants of slaves, have essentially been forced through a cultural funnel to become a new thing. Up until retail DNA testing, the average AA person would have no idea if their ancestors were from Angola or Sudan or Zimbabwe. Teaching ancestral language and culture was generally forbidden. People from a vast set of backgrounds were forced together. Sometimes bred against th…

>Americans are arguably the most significant cultural force in the world through music and entertainment.

Oh man that's some small minded simpleton-vibes here :)

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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Strategically, are you trying to be a brand, a studio, a platform, an marketplace, or maybe all the above? I think the question I have is what to try to build first. As a brand, I see you trying to become a trusted provider of content for an underserved black-identifying audience with diverse tastes. To build brand first, I wonder if you don't want to put BlackOak-curated content out on existing media platforms. That…

Beautiful thoughts! Im taking note! To your point, we are trying to be all of things... and I would add community to that list. In terms of where we're starting, I'd say we've headed down the dual path of curator and studio. Five years ago, I think we could've been just a curator and come out earlier with a differentiated product. But today, with so many curated options out there, content differentiation was somethin…

For some supply chain inspiration - I recommend this podcast with Jeremy Cai from Italic.com:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/jeremy-cai-manufacture...

It talks about how they could act like a software company by letting their suppliers take inventory risk. I feel like there could be a parallel here in BlackOakTV - perhaps by enabling independent studios to self-finance and have upside in the success of their content.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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Out of curiosity, do all black people in the US have the same cultural background? Or is it just the skin color?

Yes, except for more recent African immigrants.

Ah, the wast minority since 1865?
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