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Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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I'm not black but I enjoyed those shows in the 90s too. They were inclusive. Your focus on race is exclusive. It's a "Black space" and I get the feeling I'm not welcome.

Maybe you're just trying to target a niche, but I think you're limiting your potential market, and, frankly, helping to further divide our society on racial lines.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

#662

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In the idiom, a tangent is a branching divergence from the main conversation; it's related to that conversation, but is taking it in a new direction. Tangents are fine, and often good, but we are careful about them here when they lead into predictable off-topic arguments.

> we are careful about them here when they lead into predictable off-topic arguments. This is not remotely true of this site.

You can add the worst "ostensibly" if it makes you feel better.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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Because Black communities aren't countries.

OK, replace "countries" with "communities" - my point stands.

No, it doesn't; if you replace countries with communities, the other statement becomes immediately and obviously problematic.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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You are right about focusing on tiny niches is more profitable. The trouble is that this is corrosive to our society. Our extremely multicultural nation historically depended on popular media to create a homogeneous base from which to build our interactions upon. This product is advancing the corrosion of that base and separating us further.

I think we're already well past the point of return on that. It's not the 90s anymore where everyone watches the same 2 sitcoms or whatever. There's YouTube, Twitch, and like a dozen different streaming services out there. People don't all watch the same stuff anymore. I assume you are just as critical of things like Crunchyroll?

Crunchyroll doesn't market itself as being by Asians, for Asians, and about Asians. It focuses on a specific genre of television that just happens to originate from Asia.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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You didn't have to guess; you could have just read the detailed post instead of jumping to comment after partially metabolizing the title.

I'd say the very fact that you have to read into the detailed post to understand which "black" is indicated in the title supports my claim that the term is problematically overloaded.

You are expected to read the posts on HN before commenting. It's one of the norms of the site. This isn't a newspaper article; it's a post they wrote specifically for us, in our norms. You should not feel good about trying to litigate this at their expense.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the idiom, a tangent is a branching divergence from the main conversation; it's related to that conversation, but is taking it in a new direction. Tangents are fine, and often good, but we are careful about them here when they lead into predictable off-topic arguments.

> we are careful about them here when they lead into predictable off-topic arguments. This is not remotely true of this site.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

#668

My netflix feed at least has been pretty full of shows and movies that feature black stories and characters. I think they have a specific channel for this. So have the other streaming networks from what I've seen. My apple News+ has had a black experience and racial justice spotlight - you can't turn some of these off actually.

People working for a mainstream service like Netflix are wrapped in maintaining their job and catering to white people. Having a separate streaming service with curators from the Black community means more opportunity to express unpopular ideas. This means less Harriet Tubman bios and more current culture/expression. edit: I should add that having watched a few shows like Jack & Jill (which I had never heard of until…

I'm White. I'm not racist. I agree with your opinions of wanting more black stories.

The fact so many people are capitalizing black and lower casing White is such a deliberate act of divisiveness.

Stop doing this. You're turning moderate people into enemies.

Everything is being turned into race and division to the point it's making my Asian partner and a lot of her friends in the Asian community mad at the black community.

Can't we all just get over the tiny number of genes that separate us?

I mean this in love and honesty. And I'm sorry I didn't capitalize Black. Let's capitalize it all.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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The problem is that while "hispanic" indicates a linguistic origin, "black" (like "white") indicates a physical trait - having skin pigment past an arbitrary threshold of darkness/lightness. You can be black and hispanic, or white and hispanic. You can't be a white black american, even if that accurately describes your skin and culture respectively. Also, you're problematically lumping all sorts of people who happen…

> you're problematically lumping all sorts of people who happen to have dark skin into a single category United States society has been problematically lumping people together based on skin tone for over 400 years; the GP didn't invent it today on HN. It's already been done and well-ingrained. If your skin is black, many people will treat you differently, to the extent that you may be subject to violence, many won't…

> United States society has been problematically lumping people together based on skin tone

Wouldn't the best solution to this problem represent a rejection of such categorization? Wouldn't that necessarily exclude "X for Black People" in the same way it excludes "X for White People"? I'd like to live in a society where skin tone is no more important than hair color. Surely the best way to get there is to de-emphasize skin tone and therefore "blackness" and "whiteness"?

> What evidence do you have that this defines a cultural group (whatever that is)?

From tptacek in another post:

"Black culture ... was created artificially by kidnapping millions of people from the African content and stripping them of their cultures, family ties, and names, prompting those people to construct a new culture (while uniting them for another 100 years in the experience of apartheid and the civil rights movement). It's its own powerful, interesting thing."

I have a hard time disagreeing - it seems to be a distinct cultural group.

> Few people share your distinctions, so it's impractical

I disagree. I would say many people are able to make the distinction, and the lack of appropriate terminology to discuss it is universally frustrating.

> More importantly, it's impossible to distinguish criticism that is racist from that which is not.

It's quite easy. If you criticize a practice of cannibalizing visitors then it's reasonably clear the culture/practices are at issue, not the inherent traits of the people, unless of course we can prove some genetic predisposition to cannibalism.

> arguably non-racist but critical in order to encourage and spread racism

Yes doublespeak is a thing, but that doesn't mean frank discussion should be off the table.

> But being born in a neighborhood to a culture doesn't make you responsible

I would say that it exactly does. Who else can be responsible for a culture's practices than the people who maintain and perpetuate that culture?

> space for criticizing black people. Why is that important? How about we focus on the overwhelming problem, racism?

Because these are intrinsically related. As long as we can't disentangle the criticism and solutionizing of very real problems with black culture and ideology from racist bigotry against black people we'll never solve the problem. As long as black people are in a special class that's protected from serious criticism they can never be equal to the rest of us.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

#670

I don't really care about your personal experience. What does it cost? Didn't YC teach you anything

Please don't be an asshole on HN. We ban that sort of account.

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