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Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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Majority of Black Americans are a distinct shared cultural group, like Hispanic folk, who come in many different pigments, also like Hispanic folk, who also tend to have an identifiable manner of speaking and protocol, also like Hispanic folk.

The problem is that while "hispanic" indicates a linguistic origin, "black" (like "white") indicates a physical trait - having skin pigment past an arbitrary threshold of darkness/lightness. You can be black and hispanic, or white and hispanic. You can't be a white black american, even if that accurately describes your skin and culture respectively. Also, you're problematically lumping all sorts of people who happen…

> you're problematically lumping all sorts of people who happen to have dark skin into a single category

United States society has been problematically lumping people together based on skin tone for over 400 years; the GP didn't invent it today on HN. It's already been done and well-ingrained. If your skin is black, many people will treat you differently, to the extent that you may be subject to violence, many won't hire you, loans are more difficult to obtain, you'll experience stereotypes and racism regularly. In the end, rather than deal with danger and abuse every day, you end up living in the same neighborhoods, socializing with the same people, going to the same schools and restaurants, visiting the same websites ... to make your daily life peaceful and safe. As I mentioned in another thread, you can't even watch porn without encountering endless racist stereotypes.

As a result, while you may not think so and there are always exceptions, Americans with black skin share a lot with each other.

> slave-descended culture

What evidence do you have that this defines a cultural group (whatever that is)?

> We should be tolerant of criticism of this culture's ideology and practices.

Few people share your distinctions, so it's impractical. More importantly, it's impossible to distinguish criticism that is racist from that which is not. It's obviously easy, and often done, to say things that are arguably non-racist but critical in order to encourage and spread racism.

Also, criticizing groups seems inherently stereotypical. An at-will club, such as the Libertarian Party or local Linux User Group, is different. But being born in a neighborhood to a culture doesn't make you responsible or at fault for some stereotype which may have nothing to do with you (and usually are false and often racist anyway). Let's look at people as individuals, responsible for their own actions.

Finally, there's a lot of effort to create space for criticizing black people. Why is that important? How about we focus on the overwhelming problem, racism?

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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I'm not sure "Netflix for Black People" clearly denotes anything at all.

You didn't have to guess; you could have just read the detailed post instead of jumping to comment after partially metabolizing the title.

I'd say the very fact that you have to read into the detailed post to understand which "black" is indicated in the title supports my claim that the term is problematically overloaded.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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Let's try it this way: "A lot of hispanic countries have problems with drug cartels, crime and corruption" vs. "A lot of black communities have problems with drugs, violence and poor educational outcomes" It's pretty easy to accuse the latter statement of being racist isn't it? Not so much the former though huh? Why do you think that is?

Because Black communities aren't countries.

OK, replace "countries" with "communities" - my point stands.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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post #643

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Race plays an incredibly powerful role in society. Every aspect of your lived experience is shaped by it, in fact. From what resources you are likely to have available to you in childhood; how you are treated by the justice system; what jobs are available to you; your ability to get a mortgage despite having good credit.

I mean ideally, in a western liberal society of humans, race shouldn't matter in comparison to sex which has biological meaning and social function. Culture matters, but culture isn't race (at least not in a western liberal society).

> Culture matters, but culture isn't race (at least not in a western liberal society).

“Race” is, in origin, a mythology drawn around culture; it is either an actual ethnicity that is an in-group or an imaginary one ascribed on the basis of external appearance as an out-group. And the mere act of creating that distinction by an in-power group can create a shared experience reifying the ascribed ethnicity into a real one over time.

But, no, race is not apart from culture, but a product and aspect of it.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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" Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. " https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Hm. I'm sorry, it wasn't meant to be a flamebait. Also, can you please clarify about tangents? Looked up for a translation of the word 'tangent' and the meaning is still unclear. (English is not my first language)

In the idiom, a tangent is a branching divergence from the main conversation; it's related to that conversation, but is taking it in a new direction. Tangents are fine, and often good, but we are careful about them here when they lead into predictable off-topic arguments.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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How is this not racist? I find this to be supporting segregation and racist ideas in general. I don’t understand how this would lead towards a better society at all. I don’t understand how YC gave you funding. I am starting to really lose respect for YC. Seems like a toxic idea and honestly I hope you fail.

Whoa, criticizing YC is fine but "I hope you fail" is the sort of thing we ban accounts for. How nasty. Please stick to the site guidelines if you want to keep commenting here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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>That was... my point? My point is that "black person" is a problematic and overloaded descriptor. It can imply a cultural group ("american black culture") to which a light-skinned person can belong (can't they?) and which it should be tolerable to criticize. I literally wrote "Majority of Black Americans...who come in many different pigments" > It can also imply a simple physical descriptor of traits belonging to Af…

Let's try it this way: "A lot of hispanic countries have problems with drug cartels, crime and corruption" vs. "A lot of black communities have problems with drugs, violence and poor educational outcomes" It's pretty easy to accuse the latter statement of being racist isn't it? Not so much the former though huh? Why do you think that is?

> It's pretty easy to accuse the latter statement of being racist isn't it? Not so much the former though huh? Why do you think that is?

I'm not sure that it's easy; it depends on the context. As we know well, many racists use conceivably non-racist criticism to find ways to denigrate African-Americans, so it's important to be careful and sensitive to that.

But the big difference is the vulnerability of the groups. If I post on HN 'software developers are morons' or 'SV billionaires are morons', it really doesn't matter. Devs and billionaires aren't in danger of losing their jobs, being subject to hatred, etc. But if I post that '(vulnerable minority) are morons', that's a very different matter - they are in danger.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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post #643

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Race plays an incredibly powerful role in society. Every aspect of your lived experience is shaped by it, in fact. From what resources you are likely to have available to you in childhood; how you are treated by the justice system; what jobs are available to you; your ability to get a mortgage despite having good credit.

I mean ideally, in a western liberal society of humans, race shouldn't matter in comparison to sex which has biological meaning and social function. Culture matters, but culture isn't race (at least not in a western liberal society).

"Race shouldn't matter" is a fine thing to say, but is a really unhelpful principle for those people for whom it can't not matter.

Or to put it another way, with an example: I'm sure there are plenty of non-religiously-observant American Jews who would be happy to treat race as a non-entity, but that's not much of an option for them when anti-Jewish slander and violence is an ongoing part of society.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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Hm. I'm sorry, it wasn't meant to be a flamebait. Also, can you please clarify about tangents? Looked up for a translation of the word 'tangent' and the meaning is still unclear. (English is not my first language)

In the idiom, a tangent is a branching divergence from the main conversation; it's related to that conversation, but is taking it in a new direction. Tangents are fine, and often good, but we are careful about them here when they lead into predictable off-topic arguments.

> we are careful about them here when they lead into predictable off-topic arguments.

This is not remotely true of this site.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

#660

I guess something to ask is if black content creators are among the most creative, and black consumers are among the most energetic and prolific users, are you only attributing their lack of success(?) on youtube because of algorithms? If it's just a question of likes/subscriptions/shares, then the statement that they are the most energetic and prolific users seems incorrect. If it's something else, can we identify w…

> are you only attributing their lack of success(?) on youtube because of algorithms

They attribute it also to the comments. Nobody wants to deal with racists attacks every time they post something.

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