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Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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Out of curiosity - you mention that in the 90's there were a number of TV shows featuring prominent black characters but there isn't anymore. Why did you decide the solution to that problem was to create a black-focused distribution platform, instead of production company focused on creating new shows of similar quality to those in the 90's - has something changed about the market that would prevent shows like those…

That's a great point. I think both things probably need to be done. We took the distribution route, because ultimately we believe it's the direct relationship with the consumer that will allow for this to work. As a production company, you're a step away from the end-user, so you're at the mercy of a distribution company that has more than just the black audience to worry about. But if a company is solely focused on…

But what are you going to distribute if no one is making high-quality media for Black people?

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you feel that there are two education systems, eg one for Black people and one for White people, aren't you simply reinforcing that by having more segmented services? Separate but equal was a dismal failure in the US. I don't understand why it deserves a second attempt.

There are apps that cater to comic book fans, are they promoting the comic nerd divide? What is wrong with a service that caters to a content niche? Separate but equal is only a bad thing when people cannot choose which of the two systems they select into. A black person can choose to get regular netflix instead of this niche service.

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Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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Out of curiosity - you mention that in the 90's there were a number of TV shows featuring prominent black characters but there isn't anymore. Why did you decide the solution to that problem was to create a black-focused distribution platform, instead of production company focused on creating new shows of similar quality to those in the 90's - has something changed about the market that would prevent shows like those…

Subjectively-- many of the best "black" shows in the 90s were in the Traditional Sitcom category-- Fresh Prince, Martin, Family Matters, Steve Harvey show, etc.. Even though they touched on black issues, 80% of the shows' content was "typical American experience". Perhaps the niche-ification of streamed content has resulted in Black shows that don't feel relevant to non-black people. And since the majority don't feel…

I really don’t think the middle class black peoples will love watching that kind of show but I might be wrong.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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Best of luck in your endeavor. I don’t personally have the guts to take on a space where it seems to me like Netflix could decide to squash you at any moment by outbidding for the catalog of work by other creators. I wonder to what extent that was also true with BET, which is an obviously extremely successful outcome. (Maybe I’m just chicken.) Again, best of luck; this seems like a really smart idea and has a team th…

BET was a financial success for investors, but was it a success for the black community? Depends who you ask. I lean towards The Boondocks' take:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZchP89w2pJo

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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The problem is that white Americans don't have the same American experience as black Americans, which is where the divide comes from and it creates another culture. It's been getting a lot better, but there are still two legal systems, two education systems, etc. My perspective as a white man is that when black people create something for themselves like this, it's reclaiming the power. Like how they use the N word w…

> The problem is that white Americans don't have the same American experience as black Americans, which is where the divide comes from and it creates another culture. It's been getting a lot better, but there are still two legal systems, two education systems, etc. It's really more about how much money you have in your pocket, what neighborhood you're in - but please continue driving a racial wedge to further divide…

If you want to focus on the root causes "money in your pocket" and neighborhood, look at the root cause for why there is a racial wealth gap and why neighborhoods have been historically segregated.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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“X for black people” sounds so bizarre to me(non-American). The cultural divide between the people must be insane.

This was my first thought as well, an I'm American. Word to OP, this is a catchy title but I would be really careful going out of the gate with that kind of slogan.

I'm just being honest right now, and I know this is an unpopular opinion, but this is brilliant right now in this moment.

These are entrepreneurs. Their job is not to teach everyone melting pot kumbayah culture. Their job is to make money for themselves and their investors. After about 35 years of travel and living I'm intimately familiar with Africa and Asia. There are changes in Africa right now. Changes that feel much different than any changes I've lived through previously, and this product strikes a brilliantly resonant chord with those changes. People, particularly the 18-35 demographic in Africa, will eat this up. They get some black american and african celebrities along with someone like Wode Maya on this thing, and having blackoak would become a status symbol in Africa. At least among the young.

Sure, not great for global society, but awesome for business. Only people who don't realize how quickly Africa is growing would think otherwise.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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> It's African Americans put in the situation of Friends, and then living their own similar-but-unique story in that situation, informed by cultural differences. (IMHO, it's also a helluva lot better of a show) Living Single was a good show because, unlike Friends, it was actually funny. > That kind of... stopped. Once TV got homogenized and distributors realized that African American viewers would watch shows about…

Building bridges between communities is good, but it isn't the singular goal of storytelling. There are plenty of stories to tell that aren't wrapped tightly around the mission of making Black people seem cheerful and unthreatening to America, just like there are plenty of stories to tell about about Irish people that are about the complexity of Irish people just as human beings with human stories that happen to feat…

> the mission of making Black people seem cheerful and unthreatening to America

Implies that America thinks this way. Again, nuance is needed.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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I can't help but feel like everyone commenting here read the headline, brushed straight past the lengthy explanation and went directly to outrage in the comment box. This is a streaming service set up to elevate content by black creators, to make up for the fact that the mainstream media under-represents those people. I'm struggling to see the outrage on a cultural level and on a startup level I can absolutely imagin…

The headline does not say "black creators", though. Which is regrettable in a way; it's throwing away the biggest and most interesting differentiator about what they're actually trying to do, and replacing it with a source of gratuitous controversy. "Black creators don't get a fair chance for success in media and entertainment, and we can help address this" is a great insight, the stuff a YC launch can be made of; "Black people should consume different content that's only marketed to them", not so much and will obviously create controversy.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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FYI in 1900 it was illegal for Black folk to occupy the same commercial spaces as European Americans, and were relegated to designated areas in many public spaces, and that wasn't because Black folk wanted to, or imposed that law. Your "melting pot" interpretation concretely just means "they should not be different or receive different things than me".

Your "melting pot" interpretation concretely just means "they should not be different or receive different things than me" No, it doesn’t, and that makes no sense. The melting pot idea means that everyone works toward a cohesive national identity and recognizes contributions from everyone. It doesn’t mean that every group should be separate and excluded from each other.

Separate and excluded? Bruh, they're not requiring photo identification on sign-up as proof of Blackness, LMAO, lotta people in this thread are reaching for them grapes. I hope you sign-up, maybe you'll like some of the content.

Lemme ask you another question since we're asking silly questions: should Telemundo and Univision be illegal to broadcast in the US because its not in English (cohesive national identity, right?)? Cause that's what you sound like.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that white Americans don't have the same American experience as black Americans, which is where the divide comes from and it creates another culture. It's been getting a lot better, but there are still two legal systems, two education systems, etc. My perspective as a white man is that when black people create something for themselves like this, it's reclaiming the power. Like how they use the N word w…

If you feel that there are two education systems, eg one for Black people and one for White people, aren't you simply reinforcing that by having more segmented services? Separate but equal was a dismal failure in the US. I don't understand why it deserves a second attempt.

Was it really equal the last time around? As a thought experiment, which is better: amalgamated but unequal or voluntarily separate but truly equal?
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