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Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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You get to understand when you see the divide of prosperity, government support, unequal laws, school access, etc in numbers.

which unequal law? Is will smith victim of a law that a white actor would not?

There are plenty examples of unequal laws. Look up how Georgia is disenfranching the black vote with recent laws they passed after the last election. We also have unequal enforcement of the law and unequal punishments.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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100% agree. How is it racist to offer something as a business, it's not like it's a government or other public project. We already have BET so this is just a similar offering in a different format. "Netflix for black people" might not be a good choice as a tagline, though.

Actually the courts think that a similar business, "cakes for straight people", is in fact discriminatory and also illegal.

LMAO, you're really reaching for those grapes. The courts ruled that "cakes for straight people" meant cannot be sold to non-straight people, which is in fact discriminatory and also illegal. I don't think BlackOakTV is requiring photo identification as proof of Blackness to sign-up. Stop it.

Edit: For clarity, the Supreme Court actually ruled in favor of the homophobic cake shop in Colorado strictly on freedom of religion grounds, however religion is clearly not the factor here. And for your argument to be effective, you'd have to agree that a homophobic cake shop can't get away with discrimination simpliciter.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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BET wasn’t offensive me. Telemundo wasn’t offensive to me. Nickelodeon wasn’t offensive to me. Food Network wasn’t offensive to me. Serving targeted programming to an identifiable minority audience seems like a perfectly reasonable business (and social) proposition. I don’t know that “Netflix for Black People” will test well, but it seems perfectly fine to me. [white middle-aged male if context matters]. Edit to add:…

My only problem with marketing "X for black people" is that marketing "X for white people" isn't socially acceptable.

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Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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I don't know what country you're from but if you don't think there are subcultures in your country under-represented by the dominant media I'd assert you're almost definitely wrong. Perhaps it feels a little strange from the outside that such a subculture is definitively "black" but yeah, that's basically how things are in the US. The country has a deep history of racism and black people being literal slaves, in that…

> I don't know what country you're from but if you don't think there are subcultures in your country under-represented by the dominant media I'd assert you're almost definitely wrong What constitutes under-repressented? Is proportionally represented ok? I mean, I'm one of those "subcultures" and honestly I don't feel the need to be represented in media. I'm ok with it, but I don't see what does it bring to me or to m…

I'm part of a subculture and every instance of "representation" that MSM throws our way is radically off, horrible in every way. I'm not looking for more of that.

If I was in a more predominant subculture, maybe I'd be interested in accurate representation, but expecting a lot of that from entertainment doesn't seem wise.

Accepting entertainment for what it is, and not necessarily representation, feels like a more manageable remove.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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“X for black people” sounds so bizarre to me(non-American). The cultural divide between the people must be insane.

It's more understandable when you think about the Irish Troubles. The Black-White issue is really an interethnic conflict.

"Neflix for Protestants" and "Netflix for Catholics" would be considered similarly unhelpful.

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But what would the justification be for setting up such a league? "Netflix for black people" is a representation of cultural differences and seeing those differences reflected on screen. "NBA for white people" would just be... excluding non-white people. White and black basketball players aren't different physically (on average) nor do they typically have different playing styles. There isn't really a lot of justific…

Fair point. How about "Rap for white people" - a record label that only features white rappers for people that want to hear more suburban white-America culture expressed through rap? Still might ignite a firestorm, all it takes is one media outlet framing it as racist.

It might ignite a firestorm but this might too on more right wing channels (e.g. Breitbart), it's just that those channels aren't as represented in "mainstream" media

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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Congrats on the launch, but you are attacking a difficult market, with a strong 'political' risk/factor as we can see in this thread. If I remember correctly there was a similar startup in YC S15 (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9903229) that shutdown 2 years after (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15292534, https://techpoint.africa/2017/09/22/afrostream-shut-down/).

In streaming content is king and over priced this day due to the ongoing war between Netflix / Disney / Amazon / Hulu ... and if you read through Afrostream postmortem, the main issue is that new subscribers consume all the content relevant to them in three month (so you always have to acquire more content). I read that you plan to commission indie content, but how do you plan you be able to keep up? Will you focus more on content that is fast / cheap to product : live shows / reality TV, or do you have an other idea in mind?

An unsolicited advice : If I was in your shoes, I would look at how to use deepfake to transform some content to fit your platform. For example, by trying to change some old cartoons, where licensing cost can be reduce, to match your niche taste. This will put you in a good position for the future of content war, if it ever go the way of fully generated content.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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> 30 years later Mortal Kombat is the number one fighting game franchise of all time Smash Bros and Street Fighter are probably more popular actually. Mortal Kombat really, really sucked between 3 and 7. MK started to get good again around 8, but really it was "Injustice" (which used Mortal Kombat's engine) that made people start taking MK seriously again. MK9 is a modern, competitive fighter. But its not as well res…

> I dunno how Smash Bros became so popular though. It's accessible (no crazy button combos), fun (at a party or whatever), and not really "violent" in the same way that Mortal Kombat is bloody as hell. Cartoon violence, not realistic simulated violence. I think that's a major driver.

When you really think about it though, Smash Bros history is just filled with anti-competitive changes.

> It's accessible (no crazy button combos)

Melee is not. You need to consistently wavedash into double-shine combos while foxtrotting to remain competitive. Every landing must be L-canceled (especially during combos). Its a horribly inaccessible game, and was all we had for many years.

Following Melee was Brawl: where "tripping" was invented to randomize the game and piss off competitive players. The most popular "Brawl" was the version people __hacked__ to rebalance the game (taking advantage of the Epona glitch from Twilight Princess to install the Homebrew channel: you can remove tripping and arbitrarily rebalance the Brawl game entirely). It wasn't until Smash4 (WiiU, 2014) that players got an actually competitive game.

Smash Ultimate is finally a very, very good game. But it makes no sense to me why the Smash community stuck with it through the Melee and Brawl years.

> Cartoon violence, not realistic simulated violence. I think that's a major driver.

I think that's a good point. The Smash series (and Marvel vs Capcom series) was timid on violence and sexiness... focusing mostly at the "cartoon" level that was mainstream and acceptable.

The other fighting games leaned into violence (Mortal Kombat) and/or sexiness (Soul Calibur's Ivy, Street Fighter's Cammy, KOF Mai) to try to get some appeal, but I think that lowered the chances of the wide mainstream acceptance.

Smash was always a "Kids" game, and therefore safe for kids to play. No reasonable adult would turn off the game or otherwise be worried that their kids were playing that game. Marvel vs Capcom was at a similar level.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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This is so racist I finally created account on HN just to tell you how racist that is. Idea is outrageous, are you testing the overtone window once again? Not enough afroamerican content on Netflix? Black Queen Charlotte is not enough? Stop racism at the roots. You do not deserve to be popular. I'm ashamed this even got to main HN page.

I don't think having a Netflix alternative for black folks is racist. I think the need for it, is just sad, the fact that black people feel the need to have their own platform, says a lot about their representation(or misrepresentation) on mainstream media and other places in society. The need for some people (... you know which...) to label us by race, country of origin, etc... is disgusting. And, to be honest, I'm used to it at this point. I'm happy for BlackOakTV, and wish them great success.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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Agreed. Where I work (US-company, but I work outside of US) it is similarly weird to me. We appear to have gone backwards in the past 5-10 years in my view - no longer can you just be "you", but now it feels like we have to be labelled, categorised, and segregated into different groups. We now have to make a big deal and a big song-and-dance to highlight our differences and define what our ethnic backgrounds are (app…

I'm typical French and my daughters' mother is African... I had to explain to my daughters the whole concept of race categories and I struggled because it seemed ridiculous and aberrant to them - it is alien to their multicultural daily life. They would laugh at having to chose between being black or white. I don't understand how Americans tolerate being categorized this way. My category: "Other" - always.

Growing up in the US, I learned to exist happily within a small rational subculture embedded withing a larger culture that is simply insane. The superstitions around “race” are just one aspect of that insanity. There is also the crudest form of Christianity that has ever existed, a reification of “democracy” that is part of a national religion and conflates what is popular with what is right, the prejudice against being educated....it goes on, and I could go on, forever.
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